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Re: The Audio Standard Forum.

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:35 pm

Classicrock wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Actually I'm thinking if you have a BMU or distribution block should only need one 13 amp fuse no matter what? I take it you wrap copper round the fuse case.
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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:38 pm

Would someone like to copy this or link it at TAS.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:03 pm

I have never heard a more ludicrous question "why is price a problem", what planet does this Tigger live on.

As I said, in that case I have a Rhodium plated copper bar *designed* :lol: :lol: :lol: that will be better than any fuse that could be made, so for them price doesn't matter so only £350 or should I call it £500, lets face prices are just being plucked out of the air.

Who wants one, I can probably deliver in less than a week. If I sell a few I can finally go on holiday :mrgreen: How many eeediots are there at TAS with the money, come on MartinT you know you want one.

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Unread post by Geoff.R.G » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:13 pm

Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:03 pm
I have never heard a more ludicrous question "why is price a problem", what planet does this Tigger live on.

As I said, in that case I have a Rhodium plated copper bar *designed* :lol: :lol: :lol: that will be better than any fuse that could be made, so for them price doesn't matter so only £350 or should I call it £500, lets face prices are just being plucked out of the air.

Who wants one, I can probably deliver in less than a week. If I sell a few I can finally go on holiday :mrgreen: How many eeediots are there at TAS with the money, come on MartinT you know you want one.
A standard 13A fuse is about 18p so how does 50p sound for a Rhodium plated Copper bar? OK then £1 if it is diamond cut and polished.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:23 pm

No, on TAS they say it has nothing to do with price, so they are being ripped-off, so why shouldn't I join in. They justify £90 for a fuse because it sounds better than your 18p one, on that basis as it is far better sounding my bar is worth £350 (50% special discount for 1st 10 sold so £175), why shouldn't I join in the slurp, only sold to stupid eeediots like that crowd at TAS. Normal sensible people like our members can just watch and have a laugh.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:53 pm

From the eeediot again "I almost see your point of view, but look at it another way. That £90 can give me a system improvement (over a standard fuse) that I would struggle to find in any other way, bar a good support system. I already have those. Don't think of it as an expensive fuse, but as an inexpensive improvement."

BUT Martin you have a dedicated radial feed for your hi-fi, you don't need fuses, so for you it is a COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. You already said it can't be better than no fuse, so logic and common sense says get rid of the fuses, and sell those daft ones on to some other mug while you can still get some money back, before everyone realise they are being shat on big time.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:40 am

From Spica - Well it was to be expected seeing as the "Puppet Master" directly asked his cohorts to copy his views on mains fuses across here.

He has also been asking for one of the "troops" in his self declared war to come over here and start spamming NVA to see if it will be allowed to stand. Quite why we should put up with the views and demands of a banned member via proxy is beyond me. If you are banned, it means you are not welcome, whether doing the talking yourself or working the controls.

Also beyond me is why they should so desperate to re-join a group of people they repeatedly call eeediots. Sorry if that's controversial but it needed to be said.

Perhaps the admin team could consider a rule to stop people posting on behalf of a banned member?

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Spica used to be a member here and NVA user (and copier with Cubettes) but for some reason I have never been sure of why he is now a NVA / Dunn hater.

No one here is a puppet, I can ask and they can do or not do. It just seemed logical for the opposed view to be seen, if I was member there I would have done it. I am banned there because of people like him making sure I was banned, the same as they made sure the loan scheme was closed, they should look to their own behaviour. I don't know about anyone else but the only reason I wish to join again is to address this injustice and take away the meme he using yet again against me in his post.

What we see as I predicted is the preparation to block NVA, the process of a NVA thread on any subject was to show if they had done it as they claim they haven't.

So what will happen if a thread is made there as a test, well firstly the loud Dunn / NVA haters will be all over it with bile and lies and insults. The owners will blame NVA for that not the perpetrators, so EXACTLY the same thing as happened with me personally NVA will get officially banned, and they will be shown up yet again for the arses they are.

I am still perfectly willing to make peace, they are not.

AND Spica just so as I understand - why have you become a NVA / Dunn hater, you used to love the product. Email me and let me know. I wont publish it.

ONCE AGAIN - i am sure if I didn't give correct information because it makes them look foolish, if I didn't challenge their motives, if I stopped telling the truth and just shut up, if I crawled up forum owners arses to polish their egos, I am sure none of this would be happening - but where is the honesty in that.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:05 am

Martin still hasn't addressed the main point, which I am certain he has read. He refuses to bypass fuses, normally I would fully accept that, BUT in his case he has a brand new installed RADIAL line to his hi-fi room so fuses are not needed and in this case a large waste of money. Should we investigate why he is digging his feet in in the face of logic and reality. 1/ is it to protect his ego, he said something so he can't back down. Then he is no better than Marco. 2/ he has become part of the slurp and has got his nose in there, this I doubt but it is a possibility as I am at a loss as to the stubborn stupidity being shown.

Once again even though I am just pissing into the wind THIS IS REALITY.

A decision was taken to try to save installation costs by installing a ring final circuit with the sockets distributed allong it. As this one circuit could be supplying a complete small house a fuse rating of 32A with 2.5mm2 (or strictly 7/0.29) conductors was decided on. This did not offer protection to existing small flexible cords so a protective device was required in the plug. The rating of this device was 13A to allow a load of 3kW at 230V. Various smaller ratings were supplied though currently only 3A is recognised.

As it is impossible to ensure that a lower rated fuse will be fitted if required (fuses are interchangable and are fitted by laymen) it was also determined that a 13A fuse will offer short circuit protection to a 0.5mm2 flexible cord of restricted length. Overload protection was deemed to be a requirement of the appliances and was put in the product standards for them.

In this case the product standards require an appliance to be 'safe' when protected with a 13A fuse. As there is very little difference or discrimination between a 13A fuse and a 10A or 16A circuit protective device as used in Europe they meet the same safety requirements with a radial per room or group of small rooms protected by a 10A or 16A device and using unfused plugs.

The UK is therefore stuck with large, heavy and expensive plugs which are a safety hazard in their own right:
1) Many accidents have occured where people have lifted an appliance down off a shelf or cupboard and have been struck, often in the eye, by the plug.
2) The plug will normally lie on the floor pins up. Most of us will have stepped on one at some time.
3) The fuse connections tend to overheat, especially with cheap plugs on high loads. This has resulted in the live pin remaining in the socket as the plastic surounding it has been degraded by the heat.

Europe has much smaller, lighter plugs which avoid all these problems and allow for a more compact installation. Typically 3 sockets can be fitted into the same space as one UK type. They have also ended up with the almost universal 2 pin Europlug for smaller appliances.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:06 pm

I still have my Rhodium (or Gold or Silver) plated copper bars available, I can even get them printed to look like a normal fuses in real gold foil as there is enormous amounts of available spare slurp to add as much bling as needed to give the buyer *the right* experience.

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Unread post by Classicrock » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:30 pm

Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:05 am
Martin still hasn't addressed the main point, which I am certain he has read. He refuses to bypass fuses, normally I would fully accept that, BUT in his case he has a brand new installed RADIAL line to his hi-fi room so fuses are not needed and in this case a large waste of money. Should we investigate why he is digging his feet in in the face of logic and reality. 1/ is it to protect his ego, he said something so he can't back down. Then he is no better than Marco. 2/ he has become part of the slurp and has got his nose in there, this I doubt but it is a possibility as I am at a loss as to the stubborn stupidity being shown.

Once again even though I am just pissing into the wind THIS IS REALITY.

A decision was taken to try to save installation costs by installing a ring final circuit with the sockets distributed allong it. As this one circuit could be supplying a complete small house a fuse rating of 32A with 2.5mm2 (or strictly 7/0.29) conductors was decided on. This did not offer protection to existing small flexible cords so a protective device was required in the plug. The rating of this device was 13A to allow a load of 3kW at 230V. Various smaller ratings were supplied though currently only 3A is recognised.

As it is impossible to ensure that a lower rated fuse will be fitted if required (fuses are interchangable and are fitted by laymen) it was also determined that a 13A fuse will offer short circuit protection to a 0.5mm2 flexible cord of restricted length. Overload protection was deemed to be a requirement of the appliances and was put in the product standards for them.

In this case the product standards require an appliance to be 'safe' when protected with a 13A fuse. As there is very little difference or discrimination between a 13A fuse and a 10A or 16A circuit protective device as used in Europe they meet the same safety requirements with a radial per room or group of small rooms protected by a 10A or 16A device and using unfused plugs.

The UK is therefore stuck with large, heavy and expensive plugs which are a safety hazard in their own right:
1) Many accidents have occured where people have lifted an appliance down off a shelf or cupboard and have been struck, often in the eye, by the plug.
2) The plug will normally lie on the floor pins up. Most of us will have stepped on one at some time.
3) The fuse connections tend to overheat, especially with cheap plugs on high loads. This has resulted in the live pin remaining in the socket as the plastic surounding it has been degraded by the heat.

Europe has much smaller, lighter plugs which avoid all these problems and allow for a more compact installation. Typically 3 sockets can be fitted into the same space as one UK type. They have also ended up with the almost universal 2 pin Europlug for smaller appliances.
I came across an old post from 2008 from an electrician on DIYnot forum and he recommended radials to each living room with a ring only for the kitchen (likely due to wiring logistics) It's clear many in the profession have concerns. Of course we are stuck with 3 pin sockets as standard whatever the layout because everything now comes with a moulded plug for 'safety' reasons. I feel that a specialist fuse should be about £5 max given a standard one is 18p. I even got accused of peddling NVA on TAS even though I never mentioned you or the brand. Just shows the agenda some people have. Can't believe fancy fuse sales are that big or of such importance to MCRU and other retailers for their survival.

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