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Simon Hickie
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Unread post by Simon Hickie » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:06 pm

I must confess to not understanding andy1249's point about 'sound force'. FWIW, the table further down the Wikipedia link he mentioned suggests a rock concert or chainsaw generates an SPL 110db for a sound power of 0.1W.
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Unread post by Dave Cawley » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:32 pm

Simon Hickie wrote:suggests a rock concert or chainsaw generates an SPL 110db for a sound power of 0.1W
Which only goes to show how inefficient loudspeakers really are ?
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Unread post by Lindsayt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:16 am

Is Finkaudio another version of RFC? Someone who thinks they know all about speaker design that produces mediocre speakers?
https://www.avforums.com/threads/no-imp ... 742/page-4

The thing is, I can't even challenge him and ask him to nominate a modern speaker that he's helped to design so that I can put it to the test via a bake-off, as he'd hide behind his "That's confidential, as we're a consulting company" defense:
http://www.fink-audio.net/?page_id=8

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Unread post by Dave Cawley » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:03 am

I think the difference is, that in my professional opinion, Fink are real and have the pedigree and test equipment.
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Unread post by Lindsayt » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:56 pm

Companies like B&W have a reputation and plenty of test equipment and yet every modern B&W speaker I've heard has offered woeful sound quality for the asking prices. But at least B&W R&D engineers don't, as far as I know, go on forums with bullshit about how good their latest speakers are, thanks to their test equipment and CAD systems.

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Unread post by Dave Cawley » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:55 am

I do agree that some modern loudspeakers offer poor value for money, but in my opinion they always have. My JBL L150's I still have that I bought new in 1980 at a cost of £1,000, in today's money that would be about £4,700 but in fact would probably cost £20,000 today. So you could say in this case, the value today is very poor.

However a house bought for £24K in 1980 would be worth £250K+ today.

But then, electronics seem to be better value now ?

I personally know two high end loudspeaker manufacturers, and they are not overtly wealthy, the days of every HiFi dealer, in every town, stocking and selling multiple products has gone.

I remember about 5 years ago unpacking some brand new £8K loudspeakers and getting them up-side-down, I could see right into them and could not believe how shoddy they were. On the other hand I have seen inside others, not main stream however, and you get way more.

Funny old world ?

Dave
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Unread post by Frasernash » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:50 am

Lindsayt wrote:Is Finkaudio another version of RFC? Someone who thinks they know all about speaker design that produces mediocre speakers?
https://www.avforums.com/threads/no-imp ... 742/page-4

The thing is, I can't even challenge him and ask him to nominate a modern speaker that he's helped to design so that I can put it to the test via a bake-off, as he'd hide behind his "That's confidential, as we're a consulting company" defense:
http://www.fink-audio.net/?page_id=8
Good link like the topic discussed but I don't use AV Forums very often as I lost interest in surround sound.

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Unread post by Frasernash » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:52 am

I remember about 5 years ago unpacking some brand new £8K loudspeakers and getting them up-side-down, I could see right into them and could not believe how shoddy they were. On the other hand I have seen inside others, not main stream however, and you get way more.

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Hi Dave can you recommend any good brands that give way more.

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Unread post by Dave Cawley » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:12 am

Frasernash wrote:Hi Dave can you recommend any good brands that give way more.
Yes I can, but not here. email me directly with your budget and details of your current system and what you want to achieve please.

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Unread post by Daniel Quinn » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:20 am

Dave Cawley wrote:I do agree that some modern loudspeakers offer poor value for money, but in my opinion they always have. My JBL L150's I still have that I bought new in 1980 at a cost of £1,000, in today's money that would be about £4,700 but in fact would probably cost £20,000 today. So you could say in this case, the value today is very poor.

However a house bought for £24K in 1980 would be worth £250K+ today.

But then, electronics seem to be better value now ?

I personally know two high end loudspeaker manufacturers, and they are not overtly wealthy, the days of every HiFi dealer, in every town, stocking and selling multiple products has gone.

I remember about 5 years ago unpacking some brand new £8K loudspeakers and getting them up-side-down, I could see right into them and could not believe how shoddy they were. On the other hand I have seen inside others, not main stream however, and you get way more.

Funny old world ?

Dave
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