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There is a national minimum wage . How deos immigration lower wages?

You cannot calculate the benefit of the eu with reference to what we pay. It is a one sided calculation. It is also a temporal issue . As poor countries develop quicker the benefits increase.

Your comments on the human rights act ate laughable bollocks. Even if I was to accept them at face value it would be a small peripheral problem of nil consequence.

Show me somebody who as been extradited for a motoring offence.

reasonable debate cannot progress on Farage like characture.

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I would be glad if we got out of the E.U.

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DQ - two sources of the immigration, all proven. Old empire countries which we were coping with (apart from the Muslim brainwash) and eastern Europe, that is the new bit. Now if this could have been on a quota basis or had some control there would have been no problem and I would have no problem. The problem is it has happened all at once and more financial and work difficulties in Eastern Europe in the future trying to keep to EU rules will make it worse. It is tooooo much tooooo quickly, the infrastructure is groaning at the seams, there is no longer enough room in the carriage. It all needs to be stopped for 5 years for a period of adjustment and for people to leave the train, then we might even get some seats as well as standing room - I am seriously not exaggerating come to London and see, IT IS FULL UP!

I haven't said I associate this with lower wages, but some workmasters do and take advantage. My point about socialism and the unions is historic and goes back to the troops coming back after the war. In the years just after the war until Stalin Ferked up by showing his real personality we were nearly communist. Now there is good capitalism and bad capitalism and good communism and bad communism, and it is all down to human nature and greed and who has the power. Yes the Capitalists had the power and many (most) used it badly, then post war labour (workers) became the power and there were good socialists (communists) and bad ones and the bad ones ran the unions. So both sides destroyed their power base with greed - so both are to blame.

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I do think theres going to be a whole load of trouble heading Englands way soon (Not Quite so bad in Scotland) over the growing amout of imigrants pouring into said "Green and Pleasant Land" folks had better start to wake up n smell the coffee soon.... :hand:

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I want out, the sooner the better.
If anyone thinks we don't have an immigration problem come to Dover and take a look.
We are already a net contributor and they want even more because we've done better than they, (and we), thought we would WTF!, (thank god we weren't in the Euro eh). Let's get the f**k out and let the Germans pick up our tab, see how much they like that!
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Good grief, a forum of xenophobic nationalists, apart from DQ who I largely agree with on this issue.
I’m very much pro EU.
I’m an immigrant here in Catalonia.
A single currency is imo a great idea.

Don’t believe the hype!

It's a bit like re-reading a comment here a while ago that stated that poor people were stupid people :naughty:
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From your viewpoint I would agree with you, and in your situation I would also be happy. BUT here in the UK we are full up, all the infrastructure is straining to keep up as it has happened so quickly. It takes years if not decades to build infrastructure yet 5k people or more can arrive in a day, and are doing so on some days. France is largely empty, Spain is largely empty, Germany has the jobs, why the ferk are they picking on us!!!!

We need to shut the doors for a while to adjust, and yet the Brussels egotist bureaucrats are refusing to understand and on top of it want more money from us as a fine for being more successful economically than them. That is what has changed my view of the matter. Now if they don't see sense on both matters I am afraid we should pull out as we are being conned at the moment like going into a flat earth hi-fi dealer in the 1980's.

IMO we should negotiate a temp opt out for 5 years from everything but the single market, and then the British people will see the advantages of the EU membership and then opt back in, by which time if the Euro is sorted then that would be a possibility as well. If they refuse to help then we should do a Norway and as I say enter into serious discussion on the possibility of a N Atlantic free trade area incorporating the old EFTA and the current NAFTA. In that situation I am sure the Irish and Iceland and Norway would follow us.

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Daniel Quinn wrote:There is a national minimum wage . How deos immigration lower wages?

You cannot calculate the benefit of the eu with reference to what we pay. It is a one sided calculation. It is also a temporal issue . As poor countries develop quicker the benefits increase.

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Having a minimum wage just provides an end stop. It does not negate the effect an over-supply of labour has on wages. There are jobs being paid at miniumum wage now that would be paid at a higher rate if we had not added couple of million eastern europeans to the labour pool over the past ten years.

Also you seem to think that attempting to increase the wealth of other countries by giving them free money has some automatic benefit in return. I'm not sure what you are basing that assumption on.

The fact is that the immigaraton issue has now come to a head. There has been too much and no-one wants any more, including the immigrants who are already here. Setting aside any other arguments the fact is that the country's infrastructure simply cannot sustain it. Whilst we are in the EU we have no power to prevent it therefore the only solution to that problem is to exit the EU.

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Macca much of your opinion is without evidence. I also read with interest your comments on the minimum wage being held down consequent to immigration. As according to the cbi millibands planned increase is unaffordable. On pm last nite a university study showed that European immigrants between 2004 and 2014 ate 5 billion a year net contributors to the economy.

I will say it again the doc highlights genuine issues. The eu is not the cause.

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Welder wrote:
It's a bit like re-reading a comment here a while ago that stated that poor people were stupid people :naughty:
If they're so smart, how come they ain't rich?

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