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'Centre' a great film too!
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ArloFlynn wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:36 am 'Centre' a great film too!
It was rather good, you are right :grin:
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slinger wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:00 pm Let's get this out of the way first: I'm a life-long Labour supporter, I believe in trades unions for the protection of workers' rights, which is what they were created for, not the blunt instrument they became, and I'm an ex-union rep, the equivalent of a shop steward if you like.

Having just watched John McDonnell's speech on the BBC News channel, and the Q&A afterwards with him, and Jeremy Corbyn, I was struck by one thing above all. I did not feel the urge to throw something at the telly even once. Neither did I feel the need to vomit, and I didn't find myself shouting "shut up you lying bastard" at the TV either. I cannot say the same about Johnson, Gove, Raab, et al.

Obviously my opinion is personal. and very probably my opinion is highly biased, however, I do, honestly try to be as dispassionate as I actually can be. When any of the aforementioned Conservative MPs I cannot help the feeling that, if not blatantly lying, they are at least hiding something. McDonnell and Corbyn, this morning, came across as human beings who were telling me the truth as they know it. I cannot listen to Johnson, in particular, without "knowing" that he's lying to me. Let's be honest, he's lied to the bloody Queen so he'll have no problem with telling us plebs lies. There is not enough space on this forum to list every proven Tory lie since Brexit started.

I would trust Labour, I do not trust the Conservatives. As for Jo Swinson and her Lib Dems, they don't give a stuff about the future of our country, only getting a little bit of power for their delusional leader. Swinson has voted "with" the government more times than some of Johnson's cabinet, and she has supported Tory austerity and will continue to do so. She would rather let the country suffer than swallow her pride and form a temporary alliance with Labour to stop the Conservatives, and to stop Brexit, which is her party's single policy. She obviously doesn't want to stop it that badly.

Farage has shot himself in the foot, the leg, the bollocks, and probably the head too. He's lied to everyone, including the poor deluded buggers who paid him £100.00 per head to be considered as Brexit Party MPs. Even half of those who were told they'd got the gig have now been stood down, and they are not getting their money back. 3000 applicants at a hundred quid a pop, Easy money for Nige.

Anne Widdecombe. That's all. I don't need to elaborate, do I?

Johnson is on TV now. He's lying. Do you know how I know he's lying? His lips are moving. Good news everyone, he's just announced that after we "Get Brexit Done" we'll be able to ban shark-fin soup at last. This is the man who has been sacked, multiple times, for lying and just making shit up, and today, yet again, refused to confirm how many children he's got. Why on earth should I believe that this pampered, scruffy, leopard has changed his spots? No reason that I can see.

Well, that's what I think anyway. ;)

"Let's Get Brexit Done" the Tory rallying cry, is pure bollox. Getting Brexit "done" could take ten years, or more, of total effin' economic chaos. Only for those of us who haven't got their money offshore though, obviously.

Trade deals do not get done overnight, they take years, literally years, to thrash out, and don't get me started on trusting Trump to sort us out or I'll be here all day. :lol:

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As you say Slinger your opinion.

My opinion tend to lean to the fact that socialism, however well intentioned it may appear is rarely successful wher ever in the world it is adopted.
I have never voted Labour in my life even having been a Trade union member AEUW during my time as a mech engineer in industry. I worked my bollocks off to get out of the shop floor environment and moved into a managerial position which provided greater rewards than any union. Most are corrupt themselves through the hierarchy and links with the Labour Party.

I don't feel BoJo is as stupid as he lets' on. He's far too clever and calculating and I don't believe him for one minute on Brexit. Why in God's name anyone would think that paying handsomely for a Trade deal that give us a massive deficit with the EU is great only serves to show that those in office and across the wider establishment are benefitting from it. Ordinary folk aren't that's for sure. Kinnock and his wife are doing ok on the gravy train even after Kinnock pushed the flawed idea of diesel carsas being a great environmental boon but that turd soon lost it's shine.

On the wonders of the EUH perhaps this may explain why many do not think it a great idea either. Simplistictly if it were so "good" why is it in such a mess? Corruption on as grand scale coupled with its anti democratic nature may possibly have something to do with it. Goading Russia is not a good move either.

This is interesting on the Lisbon treaty
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I don't feel BoJo is as stupid as he lets' on. He's far too clever and calculating and I don't believe him for one minute on Brexit.
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He is a power crazed political careerist with no principles. Lord Mayor of London was a stepping stone. He has siezed his big chance, the misinformed popualist Brexshite movement and Labour having its worst most inept leader in living memory.
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I have no doubt that Johnson is an intelligent man, however, nobody has ever been able to find a causal link between intelligence and common sense, honesty, empathy, and/or trustworthiness.

The "bumbling Boris" persona is now being amplified by a couple of Aussies, Sean Topham and Ben Guerin, who specialise in making things look even more ridiculous than they actually are, which promotes argument, conversation, but most of all, brand awareness. The "brand" in this case being Johnson and the Torys. Don't laugh, it's how they got Scott Morrison elected, against the odds, in Australia.

I'd class Johnson as a dangerous sociopath. Every, single, thing he's ever done has been for a single purpose, and that's to advance his own position. He does not care about you, your family, your friends, your community, or this country. He only cares for Boris Johnson and those around him while they are of some use to him. He actually, genuinely, believes he is entitled to whatever his piggy little heart desires. Lord Mayor was a step towards Prime Minister, which, in turn, is probably a step towards The Lords and loads of non-executive directorships which means he'll be raking it in for doing bugger-all, his desired default position. There will, obviously, be a book in it too. He's an author and a good one by all accounts. I think (and I'm not making a joke here) Johnson would much rather be surrounded by books than people.
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slinger wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:51 pm I have no doubt that Johnson is an intelligent man, however, nobody has ever been able to find a causal link between intelligence and common sense, honesty, empathy, and/or trustworthiness.

The "bumbling Boris" persona is now being amplified by a couple of Aussies, Sean Topham and Ben Guerin, who specialise in making things look even more ridiculous than they actually are, which promotes argument, conversation, but most of all, brand awareness. The "brand" in this case being Johnson and the Torys. Don't laugh, it's how they got Scott Morrison elected, against the odds, in Australia.

I'd class Johnson as a dangerous sociopath. Every, single, thing he's ever done has been for a single purpose, and that's to advance his own position. He does not care about you, your family, your friends, your community, or this country. He only cares for Boris Johnson and those around him while they are of some use to him. He actually, genuinely, believes he is entitled to whatever his piggy little heart desires. Lord Mayor was a step towards Prime Minister, which, in turn, is probably a step towards The Lords and loads of non-executive directorships which means he'll be raking it in for doing bugger-all, his desired default position. There will, obviously, be a book in it too. He's an author and a good one by all accounts. I think (and I'm not making a joke here) Johnson would much rather be surrounded by books than people.
I also see him as a puppet of a rich and poweful elete, personified by Rees-Mong and his clone, hell bent on getting us out of the EU regardless of the catastrophic consequences with Demonic Cumungs,the architect of the referendum leave campaign, at the helm.
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CN211276 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:42 pm
hell bent on getting us out of the EU
Because that is what the British people voted for, or had you all forgotten ?

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slinger wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:51 pm I have no doubt that Johnson is an intelligent man, however, nobody has ever been able to find a causal link between intelligence and common sense, honesty, empathy, and/or trustworthiness.

The "bumbling Boris" persona is now being amplified by a couple of Aussies, Sean Topham and Ben Guerin, who specialise in making things look even more ridiculous than they actually are, which promotes argument, conversation, but most of all, brand awareness. The "brand" in this case being Johnson and the Torys. Don't laugh, it's how they got Scott Morrison elected, against the odds, in Australia.

I'd class Johnson as a dangerous sociopath. Every, single, thing he's ever done has been for a single purpose, and that's to advance his own position. He does not care about you, your family, your friends, your community, or this country. He only cares for Boris Johnson and those around him while they are of some use to him. He actually, genuinely, believes he is entitled to whatever his piggy little heart desires. Lord Mayor was a step towards Prime Minister, which, in turn, is probably a step towards The Lords and loads of non-executive directorships which means he'll be raking it in for doing bugger-all, his desired default position. There will, obviously, be a book in it too. He's an author and a good one by all accounts. I think (and I'm not making a joke here) Johnson would much rather be surrounded by books than people.
On the Lord Mayor thing, I never begrudge anyone having ambition. Ambition and wanting to do better for oneself is fine in my book.
Plus my mum says Boris was a good Lord Mayor. His inner motivation is relatively unimportant to me compared to his ability to do the job.

It's a cheap shot to say that he doesn't care for the country. He's not daft. He knows that the best way to look after himself is to make the decisions that will turn out for the best for the country. He's also got a big ego and will want to go down in history as a successful Prime Minister and not as a failure.

And to be honest I wouldn't blame anyone (in the Conservative Party) for looking at Theresa May when she was Prime Minister and thinking "I could do a better job than that."

Jeremy Corbyn wants to tear down the "Greed is Good" capitalistic system that we have. If you agree with him, vote Labour.
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