Taking the piss out of politics

[Lurcher300b]

Getting out of the EU, is that precise enough ?

52% of people who voted wanted to do the same, so I'm not alone.

But that’s exactly why it was a ridiculous question to ask, Without defining exactly what "Getting out of the EU" looks like, is exactly why we are where we are now. In effect the vote was "do nothing" or "do something", we are now stuck with trying to decide what the something is that is in the countly's best interest. Parliament decided that the something on offer was not in the interest of anyone other than a few privileged few, so voted against it, what would you prefer they did? All we get in response is insanity like "brexit means brexit".

[valvesRus]

What the hell are you talking about?

Lets go about this another way Steve. I'm not sure, but I think you are in Barnsley East Parlimentary constituency, and if so the Brexit vote in your area was 70.98% in favour of leaving the EU.

If you feel the need to blame anyone for your (potential) loss of EU citizenship then look nearer to home.

[SteveTheShadow]

What the hell are you talking about?

Lets go about this another way Steve. I'm not sure, but I think you are in Barnsley East Parlimentary constituency, and if so the Brexit vote in your area was 70.98% in favour of leaving the EU.

If you feel the need to blame anyone for your (potential) loss of EU citizenship then look nearer to home.

Your point being?
The proportion is irrelevant. I know one reason the leave vote was so high round here, and it was quote “to make those Tory bastards who destroyed our lives pay for it” Ex miners have long memories. Folks who have lost almost everything don’t have too much left to lose. Farage merely tapped into that long standing grievance and used it brilliantly. The fact of the matter is that it was the Tory shires that turned in the largest leave vote, not the Northern ex industrial communities.

Brexit is a nasty little right wing Tory project and once again it’ll be us up here who bear the brunt of the fallout. Just like everything else these despicable lowlives have ever done. Francois, Rees Mogg, Johnson, Raab, Patel. Toe rags the lot of them.

[Lindsayt]

Emotional based decision making is the de facto mode of operating.

Maybe, but science, engineering, the military and most companies have created perfectly good processes to prevent that. Its not too much to ask that we run our country in the same way.

Yeah, but it's logical and scientific to base your expections of how political decisions are actually made in this country and not on how one might wish that they were made.

Listening to Question Time last Thursday was a reminder that emotional decision making is the de facto mode of operating. As demonstrated by the panel on the show and the audience. Where it was all emotion based questioning and emotion based, knee-jerk type responses.

So yes it is too much for you to ask that the country is run along science and engineering principles. People are people. As I said, they are Human Beings, not Vulcans. It is a scientific fact that people - in general - behave the way that they do.

[savvypaul]

Emotional based decision making is the de facto mode of operating.

Maybe, but science, engineering, the military and most companies have created perfectly good processes to prevent that. Its not too much to ask that we run our country in the same way.

Yeah, but it's logical and scientific to base your expections of how political decisions are actually made in this country and not on how one might wish that they were made.

Listening to Question Time last Thursday was a reminder that emotional decision making is the de facto mode of operating. As demonstrated by the panel on the show and the audience. Where it was all emotion based questioning and emotion based, knee-jerk type responses.

So yes it is too much for you to ask that the country is run along science and engineering principles. People are people. As I said, they are Human Beings, not Vulcans. It is a scientific fact that people - in general - behave the way that they do.

Any political decision is a balance between emotion and logic. Currently, we are tilted too far to the emotional response. Society progresses, but often only after a painful lesson or two has been learned....

[Lurcher300b]

It is a scientific fact that people - in general - behave the way that they do.

You talk as if this situation and the way people behave is entirely natural and unchangeable. The evidence is against that as shown by the remarkable success that advertising has on peoples choices. I would argue that media (both news, tv and social) has played a huge part in the way people behave and the expectations and choices they make. Education, opportunity and environment all have a roil to play in how people behave, all of those are under the control of a country's government.

Your example is not a good one either, Vulcan's are not born without emotion, their upbringing and society trains them to repress and control them.

[slinger]

Can I just hit 'pause' for a moment and remind everyone that although Brexit is a hot and very emotive topic, we're fast approaching a General Election, and that involves a lot more than whether you want to leave, or stay in, Europe? We'll be voting, in just a few weeks, to decide who gets to totally f*uck up our lives for the next five years. Apparently opinions on which party will do that the best (or worst?) still differ. Yes, we need to consider Brexit, but we need to broaden our horizons far beyond that single bête noire. We need to consider our NHS, and who we'd prefer to see in charge of it for a start. There are decisions to be made on environmental concerns, law and order, austerity, housing, and much more.

Don't make this a single-topic election, because politicians are like magicians; all the time they're forcing you to concentrate on their right hand you don't notice their left hand stealing your watch, or picking your pocket.

[CN211276]

Just saw a recording of last night's Jennifer Arcuri interview programme. Anyone thinking of voting Conservative needs to see it.

[savvypaul]

Can I just hit 'pause' for a moment and remind everyone that although Brexit is a hot and very emotive topic, we're fast approaching a General Election, and that involves a lot more than whether you want to leave, or stay in, Europe? We'll be voting, in just a few weeks, to decide who gets to totally f*uck up our lives for the next five years. Apparently opinions on which party will do that the best (or worst?) still differ. Yes, we need to consider Brexit, but we need to broaden our horizons far beyond that single bête noire. We need to consider our NHS, and who we'd prefer to see in charge of it for a start. There are decisions to be made on environmental concerns, law and order, austerity, housing, and much more.

Don't make this a single-topic election, because politicians are like magicians; all the time they're forcing you to concentrate on their right hand you don't notice their left hand stealing your watch, or picking your pocket.

If we were creating the NHS today, instead of in 1945, Boris Johnson would describe it as a Marxist plot...

[slinger]

Just saw a recording of last night's Jennifer Arcuri interview programme. Anyone thinking of voting Conservative needs to see it.

I have, after a very long time, been forced to agree with Boris Johnson about something. I wouldn't be returning her calls either. Mind you, I'd like to think I'd have had the good taste not to have shagged her in the first place.
What a horrible, vacuous, shouty, caricature of an American "power-blonde." Everything she says sounds like she sees it in capital letters in her head, and possibly neon-lit too.