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I really don't think you get Donald Trump.
And I kinda get why, It would be hard to understand living in the U.S. over the years and the changes and challenges we are facing here.
Donald Trump is the Republican front runner but the dirty little secret and what has been a huge surprise to the Democrat party is that Trump is popular among working Democrats and has taken over 20% of there vote. He is the independent front runner too.

We are paying taxes that would kill England in a week, our debt is sky Rocketing and we gave enough money to Iran to buy everyone here a new car just to sit down and make a deal that only benefits them.
The immigrants that come here don't want to be Americans they want America to be like where they came from.
We have students who have migrated here who stand on the toilet seats, wipe there bums and toss the used paper on the floor.
One asked our counselor what is collage? Never went to school a day in there life till they came here, almost non of them have a job.
We are sending money to half the world, bringing the other half here ,sending company's and jobs over seas because our corporate taxes are noncompetitive.
And everyone knows someone who has lost a job to a company leaving of folding up.
Then we have to live in fear, being called the Great Satan in our own home towns by people who came here to change us to Surya Law and spread islam.
Mosques popping up all over. And most people think islam is just another religion same as any other, but no other religion promises peace under the sword, when every knee shall bend to islam.
Or clearly tells a follower what three things they can do to an infedal one is cutting off there head.
It is also ok to rape, lie or kill if it benefits the spread of islam.
We can no longer even just board an airplane it's a major screening now.
We are also being over run by our southern border, There are just to few of us left here paying in to keep things going and most foreign owned small family business keep 2 sets of books to keep from paying taxes and the IRS are hands off with them, also the tax credit problem where Hispanics are declaring family members in mexico and get thousands more back in taxes then they paid in under the child tax credit refund $3,059.00 per child!
People here like Trump because he speaks his mind like a man, and doesn't fear political correctness .
He doesn't take several polls to see what way the wind is blowing before he speaks, He just is who he is love him or hate him and that is a good enough reason for me to vote for him. (goraman)

I like this Goraman - He's tearing a strip off that Arkless (pssst wanna buy a hifi) wanker. :clap: :guiness;

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Usual blame the immigrant rubbish ,

a few facts

us population is 322 million in 1945 it was 151 million
the total wealth of the country in 2014 is 65,000 times what it was in 1945 , yet that wealth increase is held by fewer and fewer people . 1% of Americans own 34% of all money and wealth , 5% own 58% and 20% own 84% . Which means 80% of the population only own 16% of the wealth .

for past 10 years or so , America as a net migration , meaning that for everyone person in 2.45 have left .

Donald trump is not only a moron who relies on peoples stupidity , prejudice and ignorance to canvas votes , he also somewhat stupidly appears to be biting the hand that feeds him .

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Well I would vote for Donald.

The Passion of Salmond, The Brains of Trump, The Looks of Sturgeon.

Now theres a combination for world domination....... :lol: ;)

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Do you think that the average American realises that without immigration they wouldn't HAVE a f*ck*ng country to start with? :lol:
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Yes they would, it would be all native americans, ah! yes they were immigrants as well. I think we are all immigrants, from Africa originally or so the theory goes.

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Daniel Quinn wrote:Usual blame the immigrant rubbish ,

a few facts

us population is 322 million in 1945 it was 151 million
the total wealth of the country in 2014 is 65,000 times what it was in 1945 , yet that wealth increase is held by fewer and fewer people . 1% of Americans own 34% of all money and wealth , 5% own 58% and 20% own 84% . Which means 80% of the population only own 16% of the wealth .

for past 10 years or so , America as a net migration , meaning that for everyone person in 2.45 have left .

Donald trump is not only a moron who relies on peoples stupidity , prejudice and ignorance to canvas votes , he also somewhat stupidly appears to be biting the hand that feeds him .
Are those figures adjusted for inflation?

1945 is a stupid year to pick, as America was in a World War till August of that year.

If we look at 1935 or 1955, what proportion of the country's wealth did the poorest 80% own in 1935 or 1955? What was the total wealth of the country in 1935 or 1955 adjusted for inflation?

What is the total wealth of the USA today?


Speaking for myself, I don't think I'm in the top 20% of the UK population for wealth. I personally don't mind how much wealth the top 20% have. I care how much wealth I have, adjusted for inflation. If that is increasing at a reasonable rate, then I am happy and will have no complaints whatsoever about how wealthy the top 20% are. I'd expect any logical person to feel the same way as me.

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1945 is the beginning of the age of immigration. How did America's involvement in the war effect GDP ?

why is the total wealth relevant ?

And with all due respect your feeling on your place within the wealth structure of GB are wholly irrelevant to the point I was making and what the fuck as logic got to do with the distribution of wealth . Personally , I consider anybody who is not concerned about the distribution of wealth in capitalist economies is an ignorant moron but my opinions are not relevant to the debate .

the point was trump is blaming the wrong enemy for the troubles America find itself in , if he want to see the person responsible , he should get him and his ilk in a large mirrored room and look in that mirror .

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Oooooo Errrrr Got a feeling this might be better moved to its own thread.
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Lindsayt wrote:Are those figures adjusted for inflation?

1945 is a stupid year to pick, as America was in a World War till August of that year.

If we look at 1935 or 1955, what proportion of the country's wealth did the poorest 80% own in 1935 or 1955? What was the total wealth of the country in 1935 or 1955 adjusted for inflation?

What is the total wealth of the USA today?


Speaking for myself, I don't think I'm in the top 20% of the UK population for wealth. I personally don't mind how much wealth the top 20% have. I care how much wealth I have, adjusted for inflation. If that is increasing at a reasonable rate, then I am happy and will have no complaints whatsoever about how wealthy the top 20% are. I'd expect any logical person to feel the same way as me.
This is a useful method to determine where your family income places you in a national context: http://www.ifs.org.uk/wheredoyoufitin/

The real wealth is in the very top part of the top 1%.

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What so America didn't have large amounts of immigration before 1945? Like going back to the 17th century?

In 1945, America's economy was very much on a war footing. You also had large amounts of young adults serving in the armed forces. That will have had a significant effect on the distribution of wealth, compared to more peaceful times like 1935, 1955, 2015.

The total amount of wealth is highly relevant.

You can calculate the total amount of wealth the poorest 80% had from that, as a total and as a per person value.

Then, having adjusted that for inflation you can compare the average wealth of the poorest 80% in 1935 / 1955 and 2014 / 2015. To see how much it's gone up in real terms since then.

And then, if you had the figures, you could compare that against other countries that have had more socialistic governments during that period.

That would give you an indication of whether having an extemely wealthy top 1% gave a positive or a negative effect on the personal wealth of the poorest 80% over a long period of time.


Without looking at this sort of evidence, anyone saying that billionaires like Trump have a negative effect on the poorest 80% in their country is making a statement on which they have no evidence whatsoever.

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