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Re: Brexit

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:17 pm

Daniel Quinn wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:50 pm
Leaving Europe is economically distaterous
You invented a really good new word there DQ, I like distasterous, that would be a good new word.

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Re: Brexit

Unread post by savvypaul » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:09 pm

Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:14 pm
Short term - long term. How big a disaster, a red top headline disaster or one approaching the reality of the word. A disaster for whom, I don't see it changing my life. Sorry Savvy, historically correct as it is that cartoon is of the 1930's, and if you know history then the recessions in Victorian UK killed more children, made more people starve, destroyed more jobs, but people really couldn't give shite back then. We were a fully classed society, which led to the creation of socialism and communism. All the time society is changing, we are also curing racism and sexism, not many -isms left, apart from to finally throw out and grow out of all religions, all of these things are because people are becoming more aware, it is harder to completely brainwash and bullshit them, but is still work in progress. Left v right, in EU v out Eu, they are all bollocks with their own brainwash. I just sit back and watch with amusement in the few years left to me.

The genetic programming built into humans that creates their nature will always prevail, that is until we start to manipulate those genes, nearly there :whistle:
The cartoon is from the 1930s but the principle is the same. I agree that we are becoming more aware; all the more reason to call out inequality even louder than before.

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Re: Brexit

Unread post by CN211276 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:18 pm

The rich financed Brexit. Too many mugs swallowed the bullshit.
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Re: Brexit

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:53 pm

There is a lot to be said for that, but the power hungry finance Brussels with their egos, if they wont get rid of them I want rid of them. Can you imagine if they finally get control. Worse than losing the 2nd world war, even though financially that is what we did.

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Re: Brexit

Unread post by zebbo » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:54 am

You know, I think that this government is working to an agenda. They never wanted to leave but have been forced to. So it seems to me that they intentionally making such a complete hatchet job of actually getting out, taking so long, instilling so much uncertainty in our own economy, making us look so pathetic that it is embarrassing, allowing it to cost so much, just so that it will be so damaging that they will argue that they need to take us BACK IN !! They are allowing the EU to be the puppet master and that can only hurt us, they REALLY need to man up!!
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Re: Brexit

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:45 pm

In many ways it is a pity we can't just give N.Ireland to the south, but the people (tribalism) in a majority don't want it. Sadly if the majority become wanting it then the troubles will start again. Such a complicated bit of history

Interestingly the Wiggs (liberals) back at the end of the 19th century wanted to give Ireland a devolved Gov like they have in Scotland now, but were voted down by the Tories, which started the latest batch of problems as the Irish were happy with that, and that would have been the best solution all around. It has to be remembered Ireland had its own civil war in the South, much worse than the Northern troubles. As in all politics there is much division, now their best bet would be to leave the EU the same as us and strengthen their relationship with N America (US and Canada), the home of their family, more than live in Ireland itself. But the EU is going to bribe them with our money and use the border to drive a nail between us. The villain in everything to do with this is not the UK Gov or Irish Gov, but per usual the self important knob heads in Brussels.

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Re: Brexit

Unread post by savvypaul » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 pm

zebbo wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:54 am
You know, I think that this government is working to an agenda. They never wanted to leave but have been forced to. So it seems to me that they intentionally making such a complete hatchet job of actually getting out, taking so long, instilling so much uncertainty in our own economy, making us look so pathetic that it is embarrassing, allowing it to cost so much, just so that it will be so damaging that they will argue that they need to take us BACK IN !! They are allowing the EU to be the puppet master and that can only hurt us, they REALLY need to man up!!
There is no 'manning up' to be done. Walking away without a deal is instant economic suicide. The EU knows it and anyone on our side with accountability for outcomes knows it too. We are not so much negotiating a settlement as asking the price. It does not matter who is leading our side because the economic realities will not change. The one difference is that a PM with a strong majority could have paid up 3 months ago and saved business uncertainty rather than dance around for a while to appease her loony right backbenchers....
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Re: Brexit

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:59 pm

"There is no 'manning up' to be done. Walking away without a deal is instant economic suicide" - DON'T BE SILLY.

I think you are good at ethics and equality, but your grasp of reality is sadly lacking if you really think we will be dead (suicide means death) or are you just being a red top headline again.

See too much overstated bollocks on both sides of this argument.

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Re: Brexit

Unread post by savvypaul » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:14 pm

Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:59 pm
"There is no 'manning up' to be done. Walking away without a deal is instant economic suicide" - DON'T BE SILLY.

I think you are good at ethics and equality, but your grasp of reality is sadly lacking if you really think we will be dead (suicide means death) or are you just being a red top headline again.

See too much overstated bollocks on both sides of this argument.
I had intended to be blunt rather than sensationalist, so thanks for pointing out my lapse into tabloid-style reporting.

I will modify to read:

There is no 'manning up' to be done. Walking away without a deal will risk swift and significant damage to the British economy that may take several years, perhaps decades, to recover.
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Re: Brexit

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:37 pm

"Walking away without a deal will risk swift and significant damage to the British economy that may take several years, perhaps decades, to recover." Even that is way off track and too sensational. What you are describing is the 2008 crash, and note how people tried to play that one down, where as Brexit is bringing out all the sensationalism. Brexit will be minor if at all compared with that.

I tell you nothing of any consequence will change, the only thing we voted for was disruption, and yes we are going to get that either way. BUT both will settle into boring normality in time as nothing fundamental will change, where as 2008 was full of fundamentals a lot of which we are still kicking around the long grass to try and forget about. Trouble is if we lose the ball then 2008 mk2 is just around the corner.

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