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thick masses, xenophobic? Harsh words I fear.So let's try to make it clear. Parliament, masses, xeneophobia or political party's have brought about this juncture. That being the case let's take away the vote from all WE consider too be one of the above. After all however we voted the only government in power IS the one that was elected.

Ordinaryman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:12 pm thick masses, xenophobic? Harsh words I fear.So let's try to make it clear. Parliament, masses, xeneophobia or political party's have brought about this juncture. That being the case let's take away the vote from all WE consider too be one of the above. After all however we voted the only government in power IS the one that was elected.

Anyone taking a balanced view of the issues and consequences and seeing through the lies would not have voted for Brexit or Johnson.

Looks more and more like Boris is trying to force a 'no deal', he has been aiming for it all along.
Does he have a cunning plan?

Fretless wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:54 pm Looks more and more like Boris is trying to force a 'no deal', he has been aiming for it all along.
Does he have a cunning plan?

He probably has a " Dominic Cummings" plan and that worries me because I have not figured out who DC works for ``~ what I do know it's not me or the majority of the UK population.

Leaving the politics aside it is incredulous to be even thinking of breaking international law and reneging on a 6 month old deal at this juncture. The UK is supposed to be a law abiding country and this bill will completely kill any credibility and reputation we have left as a nation. Who will sign any trade deal with UK post brexit ? Why do this in the middle of critical Brexit talks with the EU due to be finalised in 6 weeks ?
I genuinely fear for our future in 2021. Brexiting during a pandemic is suicide given the current state of the economy and when we are led by one of the most incompetent PM and cabinets' since the war then a perfect storm is looming.

29mile wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:13 am The UK is supposed to be a law abiding country and this bill will completely kill any credibility and reputation we have left as a nation. Who will sign any trade deal with UK post brexit ?

Presumably, dictators and countries that don't mind breaking the law themselves. Hello Saudi Arabia, Russia and Trump.

savvypaul wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:16 am Hello Saudi Arabia, Russia and Trump.

Well they will sign it alright - but what will stops them from breaking it?

On the subject of breaking the law, I've been told by more than one person - although I don't know if this is true or bullshit - that there is some law that prohibits the use of razor wire.

The prisons in England and Wales use razor wire. A lot. If they didn't they'd need to increase staffing levels quite significantly, for fairly obvious reasons.

Apparently the prison service pays a fine every year as this is cheaper than the increase in the wage bill that they'd have if they took down the razor wire.
That to me - if it's true - is a sensible pragmatic decision.

Can anyone please to explain to me, how and why the UK Government's approach to breaking the law discussed in the article quoted in the original post ISN'T a sensible pragmatic solution?
I'm happy to admit that I'm no expert on International Law and the full complexities of Brexit. Maybe I can learn something here.
Maybe there is a valid reason to object to the UK breaking this law in these circumstances?
Or maybe it's more a case of some people not liking the Conservative Government and are looking for any excuse to stick the knife into them? Regardless of whether they deserve it or not.

When I attended a Black Lives Matter protest several weeks ago, the chant broke out "Boris is a racist."
This to me said far more about the people chanting it than it did about Boris Johnson.

If the UK breaks international law there will be very severe consequences. On top of a no deal we can expect so see sanctions introduced by the EU. This will not only make it difficult to export but could also affect Britons living abroad and travelling. Trade deals world wide will be affected as Britain will be a rogue state similar to the likes of N Korea and Iran. sbhould Biden, hopefully, be elected there will be no trade deal with the US because of the Democrat's Irish links. Lets hope enough Conserative MPs take a firm stand against Demonic Dom and his puppet.

Boris is expecting a generous trade deal with the USA from Trump - another man also not known for keeping his promises....

..... if he gets re-elected (God forbid).



Trump WILL turn the UK into a puppet-state of the USA by forcing usage of Chlorine-chicken and genetically-modified grain. Making the UK farming system unable to export to the EU.

Edit - not forgetting the sale of American automobiles which are manufactured with lower safety standards than are allowed into European markets.