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That is very interesting. I can imply from what you say that any turntable will have its highs and lows each suiting different recordings and genres of music. Thus, whilst the LP12 may well sound great with some recordings it may well fall short with others. I know my TD160 is better with some types of music than others, why should any other turntable (turntable/arm/cartridge combination) not similarly favour a particular musical genre?Vinyl-ant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:35 pm I had a discussion along similar lines on the at forum recently.
As you know i rebuilt several turntables this year, compared them to each other as i can connect 5 up at once. I had the lenco, the jbe, the jvc y5, the roksan, the oracle delphi, and a td124 all at the same time.
Out of all of them, the one i didn't like was the oracle. I was rather disappointed, because it was a bucket list deck for me.
The thing with it was that it was absolutely brilliant with certain music. But rubbish with other music.
Put 70s rock or 80s stuff like simple minds, and it had me grinning like an idiot. Put Pat Metheney on, or something that required precision, transparency and subtlety and it was smeared and coloured.
But my god, Simple Minds alive and kicking sounded utterly.
utterly.
fabulous.
Pat Metheney still life (talking) was crap.
The lenco and jbe have almost all of that life and bounce that it had with the simple minds, (not quite to the level of the oracle) but all the transparency and subtlety and precision to make the pat metheney album sound just as wonderful too.
The y5 jvc is a little hazy compared to the lenco and jbe, but a very sweet unfatiguing listen all day to anything you want to sound. Not the nth degree anywhere, a jack of all trades master of none deck. That 99.9% would use and love and be happy.
The roksan is close to the lenco and jbe, similar to the jvc with its xps7 power supply, but it also has a liquid gold top end which is, with the dv20 cart, astonishingly good. And it does this with anything you want to play.
Which is why I keep it.
The thorens was a little bloated at the bottom, a bit coloured but enjoyable.
Thinking about this, i realised after discussing the language we use to describe sound on forums, that what i want is transparency above all else, and that the jbe is modified extensively and unconsciously to this end.
The lenco is barely a lenco any more, very extensively modified, and the arm on it which I designed and built and tore my hair out over for 5 years of iterating, tweaking, changing and redesigning because I had a sound in my head that I wanted, its also unconsciously built to be as transparent as I want it to be so it doesn't piss me off like the lp12 I had, the obscene amount of decks I have gone through and got rid of, and the oracle did.
I don't want the same as someone who wants an lp12 or an oracle, there's nothing wrong with that, but I completely understand why people do want the lp12/oracle sound.
To me the planar is 'grey', by which I mean it is flat, not dynamic, hazy, leading edges bleed into each other, separation of instruments is somewhat amorphous and it does nothing for me at all. Sticking a forward sounding cart like an at95 on it does not address the problems i have with it.
To an extent i know what people mean with the lp12, but not the rega. But there again, it is not my place to say that someone is wrong for liking the rega, and I don't get the attitude of people who feel they have the right to say that someone is wrong for doing so.
Its that attitude that I have issue with, not the fact that they proclaim that x is better than y