How Not To Die

[Lindsayt]

... and here is a study to prove the above point ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

That article includes the following:

"Notably, the diet with the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality comprised high fiber (10 to 30 g/day), protein (14% to 30%), and monounsaturated fat (10% to 25%) intakes and moderate polyunsaturated fat (5% to <7%) and starch (20% to <30%) intakes"
That's consistent with the diet proposed in How Not To Die and How Not to Diet (from what I've read so far)

It also says:
"The PREDIMED (Prevención con Dieta Mediterránea) trial compared a standard low-fat diet with a Mediterranean diet supplemented with nuts or olive oil. Despite an increase in total fat intake by 4.5% of total energy (including slightly higher saturated fat consumption), major cardiovascular events and death were significantly reduced compared with the control group"
Again that is consistent with the advice given in the 2 How Not To books. Eat more nuts! And that getting your fat from nuts or olive oil is a different kettle of fish to getting it from butter or cream cakes.

[Lindsayt]

Is it or isn't it true that:
Cholesterol os a vital component of our cells

False. Cholesterol is the umbrella term for the blood lipid transfer system. When inside cells, the correct term is free fatty acids.

That our bodies make all the cholesterol that our bodies need

Misdirection: You need to eat the components for the body to be able to make cholesterol. If you don't eat the required components (i.e. a vegan diet), your body cannot make some cholesterol components.

For most Americans, eating a conventional (American) diet that plaque accumulates in the arteries feeding the heart muscles

Again misdirection, the diet causes damage to endothelial tissue due to massive inflammation. "Plaque" is the bodies attempt to repair damage. It's the old ambulances cause accidents observation.

That this is known as atherosclerosis
That this plaque is a cholesterol rich fatty material
That this happens over decades
That this narrows the path for blood to flow
That this restriction may lead to chest pain when people exert themselves
If the plaque ruptures a blod clot can form
The sudden blockage may cause a heart attack
A heart attack from such a blockage may damage or kill the heart
?

These are just definitions or observations.

I think that you are being pedantic and seeing misdirections when it's an article on a website intended to be read by the general public.

And all those definitions and observations. Are they true or are they untrue or misleading?

[r3xj0hn570n]

... and here is a study to prove the above point ...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

That article includes the following:

"Notably, the diet with the lowest hazard ratio for all-cause mortality comprised high fiber (10 to 30 g/day), protein (14% to 30%), and monounsaturated fat (10% to 25%) intakes and moderate polyunsaturated fat (5% to <7%) and starch (20% to <30%) intakes"
That's consistent with the diet proposed in How Not To Die and How Not to Diet (from what I've read so far)

They aren't stating that this is the optimal diet. Just the best of those studied.

It also says:
"The PREDIMED (Prevención con Dieta Mediterránea) trial compared a standard low-fat diet with a Mediterranean diet supplemented with nuts or olive oil. Despite an increase in total fat intake by 4.5% of total energy (including slightly higher saturated fat consumption), major cardiovascular events and death were significantly reduced compared with the control group"
Again that is consistent with the advice given in the 2 How Not To books. Eat more nuts! And that getting your fat from nuts or olive oil is a different kettle of fish to getting it from butter or cream cakes.

The major point of the study shows that increased consumption of saturated fat does not increase mortality. There is nothing wrong with butter, but cream cakes contain both sugar and heat modified fats (latter may or may not be inflammatory).

nutritionfacts seem to have this weird issue with eggs and conflate processed food (very bad) with meat (which our species line has been eating for around 2 millions years now).

Nuts... well you need to be careful. They may contain anti-nutrients (like phytic acid) or excessive amounts of one nutrient (selenium). They are after all the seeds of the next generation of the plant. They haven't evolved to be ubiquitously good to eat.

[r3xj0hn570n]

I think that you are being pedantic and seeing misdirections when it's an article on a website intended to be read by the general public.

Details matter. Someone reading that will think that eating cholesterol rich foods will cause arteriosclerosis.
There is no evidence of this. Eating processed inflammatory foods is the primary cause.

And all those definitions and observations. Are they true or are they untrue or misleading?

They serve to mislead. I didn't say everything was false.

[ArloFlynn]

' Eat more beef you bastards' as the advert used to say in Oz. Maybe they were onto something long forgotten.

[Lindsayt]

I am now reading the recently released How Not To Age by Dr Michael Greger.

It's my book of the year. Interesting, easy to read, entertaining and informative.

[Jeff Ferguson]

Haven't read this thread so excuse me if this has been said...Greger is a complete fool. Spewing his vegan propaganda based on nonsense and outright lies. How ironic it is that he has written a book called "How Not To Age". Have you seen what he looks like?
Not a specimen of youthful manliness that I would take any advice from. My wife has bigger arms than him. Of course, that is what happens with a diet seriously lacking in protein, animal fat and fat soluble nutrients....malnutrition!
Wish somebody would shove a nice juicy ribeye in his smug face.

[slinger]

Jeff, that's fine. You eat and drink whatever you want. And you take nutritional and lifestyle advice from whomever you want.

We can run our own personal experiment with a small sample size.

We can see who lives longest and who lives longest in generally good health out of all of the people that we know. And we can reach our own conclusions from that data (or lack of any specific conclusions).


There may be an element of Dr Greger cherry picking from the 13,000 citations that he used in How Not To Age. What with: "It's harder to convince someone that they've been fooled than to fool them in the first place". However, anyone is welcome to read the sources cited by him for themselves and reach their own conclusions on any particular topic.

Such as: is regular meat protein consumption (eg from a typical USA or UK diet) associated with chronic kidney disease?
Which BMI's are associated with longest life spans?
Is Loma Linda in California a Blue Zone (area with the longest average lifespan)? And if so is it down to the eating and lifestyle culture of the 7th Day Adventist community there?

Jeff, you are welcome to expand on any areas where you think that How Not To Die, How Not To Diet or How Not To Age are based on outright lies.