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Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:10 pm
by Daniel Quinn
Polys arent used in power supplies for good reason.

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:34 pm
by valvesRus
Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:10 pm Polys arent used in power supplies for good reason.
Polypropylene capacitors ARE used in power supplies, for good reason. :)

Commercial designs may eschew them (due to size constraints) but DIY users find them superior.

If I built a DIY version of an NVA amp it would be substantially bigger due to the Poly PSU caps I would use.

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:50 pm
by Daniel Quinn
Show me a supplier of poly 10,000uf 63 v

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:55 pm
by Hemmo1969
Ali Tait wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:34 pm Polypropylene caps are superior to electrolytics in the signal path of an amp as far as SQ is concerned.This would be true for power supplies also, but polys would be huge in size in the values generally used, which is why ‘lytics are used. Polys will also last far longer than lytics.
Cheers for that

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:38 pm
by valvesRus
Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:50 pm Show me a supplier of poly 10,000uf 63 v
If you wanted that value then you'd have to use multiples of a smaller value.

I have some here for my 833a amp rebuild, they are 130uf @ 1900v @ 40A and measure 3.5" diameter and 5" long. For valve amps one does not necessarily need large values of capacitance, especially at 1250v HT.

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:00 pm
by Daniel Quinn
Hence they are no good for solid state amps

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:04 pm
by valvesRus
Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:00 pm Hence they are no good for solid state amps
Impractical -- Yes

Expensive --- Yes

No good ---- unlikely.

You can bypass electrolytics with a small value film cap which might be worth trying.

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:26 pm
by Daniel Quinn
You forgot the fact there would be so many.

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:32 pm
by valvesRus
Daniel Quinn wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:26 pm You forgot the fact there would be so many.
That was covered by "impractical". :)

Re: Amps - Whats in em and why?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:02 pm
by Lurcher300b
what amps have "output transformers" apart from valve based ones ?
Macintosh made a solid state amp with a output transformer at one time, may still do.

But the entire diversion could have been avoided by admitting and correcting the typo ASAP.