The Analog Kid
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The Analog Kid
In the primaeval swamps of a far-gone age, strange and massive creatures ruled, swinging unwieldy tonearms from side to side as they rotated at 33 or 45. Their dominance was supreme and they had no cares or worries as they fed on the vast racks of vinyl that flourished in those days.
Then small creatures, the Seedee's, began to appear - round, silver shapes that vanished into secret drawers and span rapidly in a laser-beam shower of pristine, clear sound that was called 'digital'. A threat to the monsters and almost a cause of their extinction.
Even the existence of the Seedees was threatened, though, the world entered the new era of the Streamtaceous and physical shapes were no longer necessary. All forms became wireless amd ethereal, living in 'The Cloud' and called into action through tiny boxes and bluetooth earplugs.
But lo! A new acolyte of the true faith appeared; the 'Analog Kid'. Discovering prehistoric turntables left to rot in attics and cellars. Scraping dusty cobwebs from crates of forgotten LPs. A new sound was born (same as the old sound but of that the Kids were unaware). Vinyl was Cool. Vinyl was Hip.
Alright! Enough of foolish fantasy and back into the reality of my sitting-room system. Because I'm now only using that rather than the all-digi rig upstairs I thought it was time to try combining the best of both installations into one setup.
First move was to change the Metrum Musette DAC for the Denafrips Ares II. And what a revelation that is. The Ares just has that 'analog' feel. Music lives and breathes through that DAC in a way that is directly comparable to the Logic / Grado TT combination, the difference is in the warmth and fullness of vinyl versus the clear and crackle-free accuracy of the stream - but the sheer musicality of both sources is obvious.
I was using the superb Allo DigiOne Signature as the streaming source and replaced that with the medical-grade PC, Oehlbach USB reclocker and DHLabs Mirage cables. Again the sound took a quantum leap forward with a vivid, integrated soundfield.
Next up was adding the DH Labs Air Matrix interconnects from DAC=>pre and pre=>power amp. The 80's vintage NVA set really responded to these and became crisper, fresher with revitalised imaging.
Pondering now how I can go the whole hog and get the BMU and A40 monoblocks implemented. The equipment here is shoehorned into a corner and it is a puzzle to get additional boxes set up there. The Arcam speakers will be staying as their positioning is totally unsuitable for use of the Cubes.
So, my faith is restored in the Church of Digi - in a straight playoff against the turntable my streaming setup acquits itself with honour. But the return to the 'Old Ways' and the initiated path of the Vinyl has given my interests a new boost. It was the search for that intangible 'Analogue Sound' that lay behind my quest for the best digital performance and it looks like I can finally combine the two.
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Re: The Analog Kid
"He plays fast forward just as long as he can
But he won't need a bed
He's a digital man...."
But he won't need a bed
He's a digital man...."
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Re: The Analog Kid
A question for the brains at NVA Towers:
Can I stack my A40 monoblocks using some sort of a spacer in-between?
With the top-mounted heatsink they cannot be directly placed on top of each other - but something of maybe 5cm or so should do the trick.
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Little Bear MC2 + AQ NightHawk
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Re: The Analog Kid
As with all NVA, intelligence is required.
Think about what speakers you are using, the volumes you are playing at, and the length of time you are playing for. Under those conditions, how warm do the A40 heatsinks get now, when they are not stacked? If they are barely beyond cold (like our latest amps), then that bodes well.
Try it with your 5cm spacer and regularly check the temperature of the A40 at the bottom of the stack. If it gets warm then you probably won't cause a failure but you might shorten the overall life of the boards. If it gets hot, switch off immediately.
You may get a negative hit to SQ from stacking transformers - you can use your ears and let us know. Piano music will normally highlight any problems.
You can do what you like out of warranty...the more stupid, the bigger the repair bill
Think about what speakers you are using, the volumes you are playing at, and the length of time you are playing for. Under those conditions, how warm do the A40 heatsinks get now, when they are not stacked? If they are barely beyond cold (like our latest amps), then that bodes well.
Try it with your 5cm spacer and regularly check the temperature of the A40 at the bottom of the stack. If it gets warm then you probably won't cause a failure but you might shorten the overall life of the boards. If it gets hot, switch off immediately.
You may get a negative hit to SQ from stacking transformers - you can use your ears and let us know. Piano music will normally highlight any problems.
You can do what you like out of warranty...the more stupid, the bigger the repair bill
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Re: The Analog Kid
Just a thought- as the amps are rectangular could u lay on their side and be able to get them side by side- heat sinks facing out?
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Denon DP47f; AT-VM95SH
GL-59; ARB uni pivot; AT- Signet
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- Argon Pi4 v2; IfI iUSB 3.0, Ifi Neo idsd Dac;
Tidal / Radio Paradise
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Re: The Analog Kid
The glue will certainly hold the transformer and caps.
Wether it does so indefinitely it anybodies guess.
On its side ,the transformer will only have glue to defy gravity.
Wether it does so indefinitely it anybodies guess.
On its side ,the transformer will only have glue to defy gravity.
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Re: The Analog Kid
Interesting idea. Although the transformers will then be very close to each other.
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Re: The Analog Kid
Chunk McDaniel stacked his A80s using acrylic blocks. You even commented on the post at the time Fret.
https://www.hifisubjectivist.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48639&p=157096&hilit=stack#p157096
https://www.hifisubjectivist.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48639&p=157096&hilit=stack#p157096
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Re: The Analog Kid
Memory like a sieve!
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Little Bear MC2 + AQ NightHawk
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Re: The Analog Kid
I honestly don't know why I should have remembered it. I just felt sure it had come up when Richard was still with us. I'm guessing it was something like this he was using...
https://www.3ddisplays.co.uk/lifts-steps-blocks-c21/blocks-shapes-c24/7-5cm-solid-plinth-solid-acrylic-plinth-p891
https://www.3ddisplays.co.uk/lifts-steps-blocks-c21/blocks-shapes-c24/7-5cm-solid-plinth-solid-acrylic-plinth-p891
Amps - NVA P50, AP30, A40, Stanislav Palo Tube Headphone Amp BB 85
Speakers - Monitor Audio Silver RX2
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Digital - NAD C516BEE, SONY ST-SDB900 DAB TUNER, TEAC UD-H01 DAC
Analogue - Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB, Graham Slee Gram Amp 2 Phono
Cans - Grado SR80, ATH-M50X
Speakers - Monitor Audio Silver RX2
Cables - NVA LS1+LS3, SSC, Gotham S/PDIF, IBRA Optical
Digital - NAD C516BEE, SONY ST-SDB900 DAB TUNER, TEAC UD-H01 DAC
Analogue - Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB, Graham Slee Gram Amp 2 Phono
Cans - Grado SR80, ATH-M50X