Been looking at ‘vintage’ Sony turntables from 70’s- some interesting designs
PS 2251 & TTS 3000
They seem to go for less than jvc Denon technics and there is less info on the internet
Yamaha have a few interesting decks too
Decision will be based on £££ rather than
Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
The 2251 is a direct drive motor unit, the 3000 is a belt drive
I have no experience of those decks, the sonys i had were reasonable enough but separating the drive sound from the plinth and arm sound is impossible.
I have no experience of those decks, the sonys i had were reasonable enough but separating the drive sound from the plinth and arm sound is impossible.
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Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
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Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
Weiduka AC8.8- for digital sources
Mini BMU for analog sources
Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
Cool
Hope you bought a step down transformer for it too!
Hope you bought a step down transformer for it too!
Analogue: oracle delphi sme 309, jbe series 3 cx unipivot dv20x2l, roksan xerxes tabriz vm750, jvc ql-y5f rigb at440, jvc ql-y3f vm750, lenco 75, technics sl150
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
The seller is supplying one
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Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
Weiduka AC8.8- for digital sources
Mini BMU for analog sources
Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
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Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
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Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
Weiduka AC8.8- for digital sources
Mini BMU for analog sources
Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
Bought another one. Got another technics sl150 and stuck my 3009 on it.
I never gave the first one i had (14 years ago) a fair shake because the speed was all over the place and getting one that didnt have wonky speed wasnt high on my list of things to do.
This one was cheap and had had the caps replaced and all the resistors apparently. I havent had it apart so i havent checked that this has been done, but its pretty speed stable so it probably has.
The plastic base tray needs something doing to it because its clangy and plasticky and generally horrible, so i will put some bitumen damping pads in there to address that. But it sounds pretty ok, abit forward in the mid which i think is a trait of the cast aluminium chassis and the fact that the feet are attached to the nasty plastic base tray rather than the chassis itself.
When i pull it apart ill see if somethine can be done about that.
But for less than a ton its perfectly acceptable
Much better than the first one i had
I never gave the first one i had (14 years ago) a fair shake because the speed was all over the place and getting one that didnt have wonky speed wasnt high on my list of things to do.
This one was cheap and had had the caps replaced and all the resistors apparently. I havent had it apart so i havent checked that this has been done, but its pretty speed stable so it probably has.
The plastic base tray needs something doing to it because its clangy and plasticky and generally horrible, so i will put some bitumen damping pads in there to address that. But it sounds pretty ok, abit forward in the mid which i think is a trait of the cast aluminium chassis and the fact that the feet are attached to the nasty plastic base tray rather than the chassis itself.
When i pull it apart ill see if somethine can be done about that.
But for less than a ton its perfectly acceptable
Much better than the first one i had
Analogue: oracle delphi sme 309, jbe series 3 cx unipivot dv20x2l, roksan xerxes tabriz vm750, jvc ql-y5f rigb at440, jvc ql-y3f vm750, lenco 75, technics sl150
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
Had the base off to fit new feet to the deck.
Modified it and fitted them, then took a look at the board.
It hasnt had any resistors changed or been recapped. It hant been touched.
So ive been lied to by the seller.
Cant do anything about it now as ive modified it to fit the new feet.
It is running fine so it isnt exactly a problem, but it will want recapping eventually
Lying git arsehole seller
Its not like i fix turntables for a living or anything so wouldnt know exactly what im looking at is it...........
Modified it and fitted them, then took a look at the board.
It hasnt had any resistors changed or been recapped. It hant been touched.
So ive been lied to by the seller.
Cant do anything about it now as ive modified it to fit the new feet.
It is running fine so it isnt exactly a problem, but it will want recapping eventually
Lying git arsehole seller
Its not like i fix turntables for a living or anything so wouldnt know exactly what im looking at is it...........
Analogue: oracle delphi sme 309, jbe series 3 cx unipivot dv20x2l, roksan xerxes tabriz vm750, jvc ql-y5f rigb at440, jvc ql-y3f vm750, lenco 75, technics sl150
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
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Re: Japanese Direct Drive Appreciation
Where have U placed it- last time I was there there was a full house
Analogue Source -
Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
Weiduka AC8.8- for digital sources
Mini BMU for analog sources
Denon DP47f- Ortofon mc20 supreme
Ifi Zen Phono
Doug Self balanced Pre amp
Akai 4000DS mk2 R2R
Digital Sources- IfI stream, Ifi Neo idsd Dac; Tidal / Radio Paradise
Amplification Nva 30vdc mono blocks
Speakers Lii Audio F-15 in Open Baffle; Ls6
Weiduka AC8.8- for digital sources
Mini BMU for analog sources
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The black jvc has been booted out of the way so its on the end of the record cabinet
Analogue: oracle delphi sme 309, jbe series 3 cx unipivot dv20x2l, roksan xerxes tabriz vm750, jvc ql-y5f rigb at440, jvc ql-y3f vm750, lenco 75, technics sl150
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7
Phono stages: cole lcr, benedict audio hothead
Digital: cyrus cd7, wiim mini x2, topping e30, jds labs el dac 2+
Amplification: nelson pass b1, nelson pass f5
Speakers: 15" fane aperiodic wardrobes
Cans: myryad z40, hifiman sundara + deva, fostex t50rp, sennheiser momentum on ear +over ear, b&w p5 and p7