Genesis Remasters on Vinyl

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Re: Genesis Remasters on Vinyl

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You have a band specialising in twenty five minute sides, so the mixes were compressed up, losing bass, overall volume level and wide soundstages to get it onto a single LP. These remixes would have been done on a specialised digital workstation and hopefully everything would be opened out a lot in terms of width and depth, so why the fugg would you want it all compressed and squashed back down into a vinyl record? Maybe a 12" 45rpm set, one track per side, or at the very least, a double LP with thirteen minute sides, but never a single LP... Utter madness :snooty:
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Fretless wrote:Genesis were a dangerously subversive group - Nursery Cryme..
Good album, Even Keith Emerson thought it good :clap:

That was a Paul Whitehead cover. He also did 'Trespass & 'Foxtrot' cover as well as some of the Van Der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill covers.. He was alser a drummer

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O dear .
well I listened to my £25 remaster and it is not good . To me it has been digitally sanitised. It is like it as been cleaned , like putting your Hugo Boss suit in the washing machine , it just aint the same .

and turn it on again as some very odd cymbals . I preferred my original 1980's version .

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The 1980's version probably went through a De-Esser, as many did.
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And your point is ?

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Of all the reissues I can't understand anyone preferring the original Duke simply because cutting equipment was not so good back then at 25 min sides. The vinyl quality makes the signal to noise performance poor with the low level cut. Yes the Cymbals are odd because they cleaned up the sound and you are accustomed to mush. Now I wonder which version is closer to the master tape? I'm going to guess the new version even if the digital mixing and editing has changed the sound somewhat. Otherwise I tend to be on the fence with how these new editions sound. 13 reissued titles are now listed individually at Diverse Vinyl for another run this month, but strangely no Selling England By The Pound. Agree these should be out on double 45 rpm vinyl. Genesis liked maxing out length of sides.
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Classicrock wrote: I can't understand anyone preferring the original Duke .
Perhaps my hifi is better than yours :happy-cheerleaderkid:

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Theo wrote:I have between 5-7 versions of each album, so I'll try and keep it brief...

Trespass - original Pink Scroll is good and punchy, if a little dull. All that came after it were dreadful, apart from the New Nick Davis remixed version in 2008: yes, it's a slightly different perspective, but there is a clarity to it which is very appealing. I like it a lot. SACD good too.

Nursery Cryme - Original Pink Scroll ('hilltop' in run out) is my favourite: really dynamic. The very first large hatter versions good too, all others meh. Nick Davis version ok: a bit 'stripped' bare in places.

Foxtrot - original large hatter with 'Porky' in run out is my favourite: it sounds fabulous. The common theme is that, as they get re-pressed, SQ suffers along the way. Again, the Nick Davis version in 2008 is very good (includes the additional 15 second fade-out to Suppers Ready).

Selling England - original large hatter 'Porky/Pecko' is excellent, considering there's 54 minutes of music on this album. Japanese version good too. Classic version also very meaty. Nick Davis version feels like a completely different mix: some will hate it, but I enjoy the more up-front drum mix. There was a Classic 4 x 45rpm version (similar to the Gabriel set) pressed for test purposes, and you can see these go for £300+. I'd love to hear one of those...

Lamb - close one this: it's between the original "Porky' cut and the Classic version (which is a dynamic beast). The Nick Davis version suffers from having a decidedly odd mix, which I find hard to enjoy.

Trick of the Tail - completely agree with Classicrock: the MFSL is just awesome. I wish I had a second copy, as I suspect I'll eventually wear out my first one. Original vinyl is good too: I'm ambivalent about the Nick Davis version.

W&W: an original German pressing is pretty special, and certainly sounds more powerful to my ears than the UK 1st pressing. I'm not a fan of the Nick Davis version here.

Duke: again, I have no problem with the original vinyl. The Japanese one sounds muted, the new Nick Davis mix just doesn't sit right with me, but I know others like it.

After these, take your pick: there are enough decent nick (and cheap) original copies to do multi-comparisons. Early US pressings are not great until the Lamb (and early ones used a Porky/Pecko cut), so that one is worth hunting out. Some of the German pressings are good too as an alternative.

In terms of CDs, the interesting versions are the DVD-As that came with the original Nick Davis box set. My Universal CDP has a 'mix down' facility for the 5:1 mixes, and you get a different perspective again. I prefer these to the SACDs, especially the 76-82 and 83-98 versions.

I'm in agreement on the "Calling all Stations" album: it's basically bits of solo Banks and Rutherford tunes. Not necessarily bad, but not Genesis either. The tour (I went to 2 gigs) was a crushing disappointment for me.
Good summary - thanks

My original pressing of "Foxtrot" is the best SQ Genesis LP I have, great record as well. I would like to hear any of the MFSL issues though
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Update - I still prefer the Duke 1980 vinyl as opposed to the re-mastered .

Whilst on holiday , I did buy phil Collins face value remastered . This is better than the original

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Re: Genesis Remasters on Vinyl

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A question for the massed Genesis fanatics out there : CD this time - I am looking for a recent remaster of 'Second's Out' and not the 1994 'Definitive Edition'.

Still have the original 80's double-CD version mastered and pressed by Nimbus, which isn't too bad but sounds a bit muffled and compressed these days.

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Does anybody know if the latest Nick Davies remastered version was put out only on LP - or was there a CD release as well OR are there any rumours about Steven Wilson doing a possible remix?

Not desperate - just curious. :banana-rock:

(Would be nice if they could put all the removed Hackett guitar parts back in.) :grin:

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