Brexit Deal - one of the easiest in human history?

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Re: Brexit Deal - one of the easiest in human history?

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slinger wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:01 pm
"We do not recognise the figure provided on exports"

Why do I not feel reassured?
Doesn't that just mean that they will deny it until the official figures come our confirming it, or worse?
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I'm guessing it means that that number came as a bit of a surprise because the people suffering because of it weren't thought to be capable of working it out for themselves, so the government hasn't had the time to massage the figures and spin the explanation yet.
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From CNN:

Brexit is just weeks old, and it's already threatening fragile political stability in Northern Ireland

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I've been predicting Boris will be out by Easter for some time now. Trouble is there's more be home him.
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If anyone is looking for an example of how stupid Daily Express readers (and journalists - I use the word in its loosest sense - too it seems) really are...

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Now, if somebody from the Express would care to explain how any of the above would be remotely possible, especially as we're not even in the EU any more, please let them step forward now...

It's just more jingoistic posturing from a bunch of flag-waving arseholes intended to inflame their dim-witted readership into yet another barrage of anti-EU sentiment.

All the time the gammonista Brexiteers are raging at the EU, of course, Johnson the Teflon Turd can skate ever onward with nothing ever being his fault, courtesy of the right-wing, Conservative-supporting Daily Express and its ilk. I find that both vomitsome, and (thank you Terry) pukeworthy. :lol:
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Michel Barnier blames UK for not ‘correctly explaining’ Brexit consequences, as Gove holds crisis talks

The EU has accused the UK of not correctly explaining the consequences of Brexit to businesses as the two sides clashed over the Northern Ireland protocol.

Michel Barnier hit out at the government as he insisted the withdrawal terms it sought – not the checks introduced on Irish Sea trade – are to blame for empty shelves in supermarkets.

The criticism came ahead of crisis talks between the two sides in London, which drew to a close with both sides reiterating their commitment to “the proper implementation” of the protocol.

Michael Gove was expected in the meeting to request a two-year delay to further checks on food supplies – a suggestion the EU side had been expected to turn down.

A joint statement said Mr Gove and the European Commission’s vice president Maros Sefcovic had had a “frank but constructive discussion” on Thursday evening, in which they agreed to “spare no effort” in implementing solutions.

The two politicians agreed to convene the joint committee no later than 24 February to provide “the necessary political steer” and approval to this work “in the spirit of collaboration, responsibility and pragmatism”.

Irish foreign affairs minister Simon Coveney described the meeting as a “good day’s work”, tweeting: “Focus now is on EU/UK cooperation to implement what’s been agreed in Protocol and to work on solutions to outstanding issues linked to implementation.”

But the cordial statement was preceded by stern words from across the channel. Speaking ahead of the meeting, Mr Barnier said: “The difficulties on the island of Ireland are caused by Brexit, not by the Protocol,” adding that “the Protocol is the solution”.

And, on the blizzard of new red tape for all post-Brexit trade, the chief Brexit negotiator added: “Many of these consequences have not been correctly explained, they have been generally underestimated.”

Brexit means Brexit,” he told a European Business Summit event, stealing the slogan coined by Theresa May, when she sought hard exit terms.

While there could be “technical solutions” for some of the problems becoming apparent, the Brexit negotiations were over and the rules must be respected, he added.

The comments came as the Irish prime minister, Micheal Martin, called for both sides to “dial down the rhetoric”, warning Ireland risked being “collateral damage” in the row.

Many EU leaders are angry that the UK appears to be exploiting the controversy over its brief triggering of border controls in Ireland – over coronavirus vaccine exports – to try to overturn the protocol.

Keir Starmer also called for cool heads from both sides in approaching issues around Northern Ireland, saying: “There is increasing tension that needs to be de-escalated.

A day before their meeting, Mr Sefcovic was accused of inflaming tensions between the UK and EU in a response to Mr Gove's claim, made on Monday, that the protocol was "not working" and needed changes.

In a letter, Mr Sefcovic questioned why border control posts at ports in Northern Ireland were “not yet fully operational” six weeks after Brexit was completed.

There were “very few identity checks” on goods, while “non-compliant consignments” were being accepted even if destined for the Irish Republic, he wrote.

Goods were entering Northern Ireland “without being declared or without valid certificates”, and the UK had “not fulfilled its obligation” to allow the EU real-time access to customs IT systems.

On the UK's call for a two-year extension to "grace periods", Mr Sefcovic wrote that changes “cannot be agreed beyond what the protocol foresees already”.

Boris Johnson’s spokesperson called the response “disappointing”, explicitly linking its call for a rethink to the row over the EU’s aborted invocation of Article 16, which allows part of the protocol to be overridden – and is meant to be used only in emergencies. The bloc imposed the temporary change in a row over coronavirus vaccines.

The commission has failed to acknowledge the shock and anger felt across the community in Northern Ireland from its decision to trigger Article 16 and the need to take urgent steps to restore confidence as a result,” he said.

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What a load of old tosh. Bloody Europeans, expecting us to stick to agreements we've signed, they must know we're not up for that, and we never have been. Surely they understand that? Why can't they just do what they're told? It's no wonder we left, they are completely unreasonable.

Yes, Britain is now reduced to the position of "that bloke who was on telly a few times 20 years ago and who, on being pulled up by the police for being drunk in charge of a Brexit, plays the "Do you know who I am?" card.
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This was published a year ago.

Brexit is set to have cost the UK more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year — a figure that almost eclipses the total amount the UK has paid toward the European Union budget over the past 47 years.

According to research by Bloomberg Economics, the cost of the UK's vote to leave has already reached £130 billion, with a further £70 billion likely to be added by the end of 2020.

The analysis, by the economist Dan Hanson, found that business uncertainty had caused the UK's economic growth to lag behind that of other G7 countries since the 2016 vote.

That means the British economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU.

Figures from the House of Commons Library put the UK's total projected contribution to the EU budget from 1973 to 2020 at £215 billion after adjusting for inflation.

That means the combined cost of Brexit since 2016 is likely to soon eclipse the total cost of the EU's budget payments, which were a central part of the Leave campaign's case for Brexit in the first place.

Business confidence and investment has dipped, and annualized economic growth has fallen to about 1% from 2%.

"As the UK comes to terms with its new trading relationship with the EU and grapples with the productivity challenge that has hindered growth since the financial crisis, the annual cost of Brexit is likely to keep increasing," Hanson said.

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But hey we got a trade deal with Albania and a blue passport made in Poland by a French company!

This was published today.

The Brexit trade deal will swipe around £45bn over two years from the UK economy, a Brussels analysis says – after Boris Johnson refused to carry out his own study.

And the economic damage will be more than four times greater than that suffered by the EU, from the putting up of daunting new barriers to cross-Channel trade.

The Christmas Eve agreement – hailed as “fantastic” by the prime minister – will cut UK output by about 2.25 per cent by the end of 2022 compared with EU membership, the analysis has found.

With annual gross domestic product (GDP) standing at around £2 trillion, such a loss would be equivalent to around £45bn over the next two years.

Although the hard exit terms will also hit the EU economy, that loss is estimated to be only about 0.5 per cent over the same period.

The European Commission said avoiding the threatened no-deal outcome before the New Year’s Day deadline “improves the situation”.

But, its winter economic forecast added: “It cannot come close to matching the benefits of the trading relations provided by EU membership.”

The figures are the first appearing to back up the overwhelming verdict of economists that the skeleton deal – leaving the single market and customs union – will hurt the UK economy.

The government has repeatedly refused to carry out its own analysis, trade secretary Liz Truss telling MPs last month that it was time to “move forward”.

However, assessments have been released for much less significant ‘rolled over’ deals with tiny economies such as Moldova and North Macedonia – and for trade targets including the US, Australia and New Zealand.

All analysis had showed that, whatever future deals are signed, they cannot come close to compensating for ending frictionless trade with the UK’s biggest market.

The Treasury has been asked to respond to the Brussels verdict, which comes amid mounting business fury over the blizzard of new red tape hitting trade.

The last-gasp agreement maintained zero-tariffs on the sale of goods crossing the Channel – but only if firms meet rules of origin on products.

And new paperwork, customs checks and confusion over the new system have slowed up deliveries, forcing some firms to give up on EU trade altogether.

The Commission said the “shock” from these so-called non-tariff barriers amounted to the equivalent of a tax on imports worth 10.9 per cent for the EU and 8.5 per cent for the UK.

And the absence of any specific agreement for services, which form 80 per cent of the British economy, would further hurt the UK and some EU nations.

However, avoiding a crash-out Brexit – and moving onto World Trade Organisation terms – had reduced the further damage for the UK by a quarter.

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All sounds a bit "shoulda woulda coulda" to me ;)

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