Brexit Deal - one of the easiest in human history?

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Re: Brexit Deal - one of the easiest in human history?

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I hate to say so but what did anyone expect after what was a very messy divorce. Admittedly there are a few relationships that end amicably, but this one certainly did not. So to be surprised when both sides of the relationship want to keep all the toys on their (and no one else's) terms seems a little odd.

It doesn't matter if you where the spurned, or the spurnee there's going to be bitterness and petty mindedness on both sides.

My only real surprise in this process is that the erstwhile Brexiteers have made such a hash of this, it's not as if the great majority of them haven't had their collars (and pockets) felt by the Family Courts. So you'd think that they would have understood precisely what the process was that they were involved in and acted accordingly. Maybe if they'd shovelled a load of cash at Mishcons or any of the celebrity divorces firms they'd have gotten a better result than leaving it to Boris the Bluster and his merry band of non entities.

As with many failed relationships maybe we'll all laugh about this over a reunion lunch in five years time.....

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Grumpytim wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:25 pm I


As with many failed relationships maybe we'll all laugh about this over a reunion lunch in five years time.....
I can see this having to happen after a lot of damage especially to the UK, if there still is a UK.
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I'm not surprised. Just pointing out that the EU are not doing themselves any favours, either.

In a divorce, you can argue as much as you like between yourselves, but you protect the children.
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When you are dealing with sane decent people, then that is a reasonable assertion, unfortunately in far too many divorces the offspring are used at best as pawns in the on going battle between the parties. Whilst they may argue that they're doing it 'for the children' they aren't, it's just part of some bitter point scoring process. The EU may well have been sane and decent - it takes two to tango.

Don't get me wrong I'm bitterly disappointed with how this has played out, and I have no doubt that our bunch of alt right loons will continue to goad the EU just to get the right tone of vitriol on the front pages of the Trumpian press.

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It's almost as if some people are expecting career politicians to act like grownups (has anyone actually watched PMQs live, or film of foreign parliaments in action) and to put their respective countries before their own self-interests. How naive are these people? :roll:
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Show's over for British roadies as Brexit blocks European music tours

British-based haulage firms that transport bands around Europe, often for months at a time, say they will be unable to operate under new rules limiting their movements.

The UK’s position as a global centre for music means a supporting ecosystem has grown, providing specialised staff, transport and equipment hire for tours.

This has led to global artists touring Europe using the UK as a base, hiring equipment such as sound and lighting that is then moved between concert venues - often overnight - by British hauliers.

But under the terms of the Brexit deal, hauliers are limited to two moves of equipment within Europe and then must return home within seven days. Also complicating matters is export paperwork now required to move hired equipment into the EU, even though it will return to Britain.

These restrictions render big European tours recording stars depend on for income because of the collapse of record sales impractical for UK hauliers.

The music industry contributed £5.8bn to the UK economy last year, with live music responsible for about 10pc of the total.

Natasha Highcroft, director of Norfolk-based Transam Trucking that has worked with acts including U2 and Iron Maiden, said her business “cannot function” under the new regime.

She added: “The UK is a market leader in this industry and punches well above its weight. We’re an integral part of the touring crew, and bands trust us to get them between shows using specialised vehicles.

That means double, sometimes triple drivers for overnight moves, and the experienced staff to get bands set up.”

She said that when Covid travel limitations lift and touring restarts, the 130-vehicle family-owned firm has been advised to set up a European operation to be able to operate under the new controls, potentially taking the Transam’s 150 staff with it.

Also under threat is FlybyNite, a Redditch-based operation with 180 vehicles and 250 staff.

Richard Brown, its transport manager, said: “About 85pc of touring in Europe is done by British companies, and the industry has grown here as artists need to tour as record sales fall.

We’ve been left high and dry by Brexit, and our only option is to move half the fleet to the EU, which means job losses here and loss of revenue for the UK government.”

FlybyNite has supported tours by stars including Lady Gaga and Queen, but Mr Brown fears this work will now be lost to European operators.

Trade body Logistics UK described the limit on the number of movements as a “fundamental issue” for UK-based touring hauliers and is appealing for the Government to try to negotiate a special easement with the EU, replicating a “cultural exception” agreement that predates the EU itself.

The Department for Transport said it “pushed for an ambitious arrangement that would have allowed performers and their support staff to work across Europe”.

A government spokesman added: “The EU rejected these proposals and did not make an offer that would have enabled touring or covered the support staff that tours rely on."

Separately, the Culture Secretary has launched a working group looking at overcoming obstacles faced by British performers wanting to tour in Europe now visa-free travel has ended.

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Fury at Gove as exports to EU slashed by 68% since Brexit
Hauliers say Cabinet Office minister ignored warnings, amid fears that worse is to come with the introduction of import checks in July

The volume of exports going through British ports to the EU fell by a staggering 68% last month compared with January last year, mostly as a result of problems caused by Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

The dramatic drop in the volume of traffic carried on ferries and through the Channel tunnel, has been reported to Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove by the Road Haulage Association after a survey of its international members. In a letter to Gove dated 1 February, the RHA’s chief executive, Richard Burnett, also told the minister he and his officials had repeatedly warned over several months of problems and called for measures to lessen difficulties – but had been largely ignored.

In particular, he had made clear throughout last year there was an urgent need to increase the number of customs agents to help firms with mountains of extra paperwork. The number now, around 10,000, is still about a fifth of what the RHA says is required to handle the massive increase in paperwork facing exporters.

Burnett told the Observer that in addition to the 68% fall-off in exports, about 65%-75% of vehicles that had come over from the EU were going back empty because there were no goods for them to return with, due to hold-ups on the UK side, and because some UK companies had either temporarily or permanently halted exports to the EU. “I find it deeply frustrating and annoying that ministers have chosen not to listen to the industry and experts,” he said.

Contact with Gove had been limited and had achieved little over recent months. “Michael Gove is the master of extracting information from you and giving nothing back,” he said. “He responds on WhatsApp and says he got the letter but no written response comes. Pretty much every time we have written over the last six months he has not responded in writing. He tends to get officials to start working on things. But the responses are a complete waste of time because they don’t listen to what the issues were that we raised in the first place.”

According to the House of Commons library, UK exports to the EU were £294bn in 2019 (43% of all UK exports) while UK imports from the EU were £374bn (52% of the total). The overwhelming majority of exports to the EU from the UK go through ports rather than by air.

Richard Ballantyne, chief executive of the British Ports Association, said the 68% figure sounded “broadly in line” with his impressions of the drop-off in traffic. He said some but not all of the problems with extra paperwork that caused delays could be overcome in time, although he warned some businesses on both sides would look for new markets rather than try to deal with the added friction. Ballantyne also predicted a new set of difficulties in months to come as the infrastructure needed at the point when the UK introduces full import checks on goods from the EU on 1 July would not, in his view, be ready in time. This raised the prospect of a whole new set of issues affecting imports.

As part of the Brexit arrangements, the government decided to offer a six-month grace period, meaning the full range of physical checks would not be needed on imports until July.

Trade experts said part of the reason for the sharp fall in exports was the coincidence of Brexit and the pandemic. But several heads of trade bodies fear worse is to come. Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, the body for companies that move and store frozen and chilled foods, said: “As we look to April through to July what really worries me is we face a perfect storm.

We will have an economy looking to come out of lockdown at the same time as the UK is imposing a range of import controls on EU business that may be no more prepared than UK businesses have been – and possibly less so – and a supply chain that is incredibly reluctant to service the UK. The full Brexit crisis that we were predicting could well come into effect at that point.”

In recent weeks hundreds of UK companies have decided either to halt exports to the EU or to set up warehouses or subsidiaries within the EU so they can distribute goods more easily. Ministers say most of the Brexit-relating issues facing businesses are “teething problems”, although Michael Gove has accepted that those affecting Northern Ireland are more serious.

A government spokesperson said: “We have had [an] intensive engagement with the road haulage industry for many months and are still facilitating a daily call with representative groups.

We do not recognise the figure provided on exports. Thanks to the hard work of hauliers and traders to prepare for change, disruption at the border has so far been minimal and freight movements are now close to normal levels, despite the Covid-19 pandemic.

We will continue to work constructively with the RHA as we adjust to our new relationship with the EU and seize the opportunities of Brexit.

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"We do not recognise the figure provided on exports"
"...disruption at the border has so far been minimal and freight movements are now close to normal..."
"We will continue to work constructively with the RHA..."

Why do I not feel reassured?
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Fuck business is Boris’ policy, so why are the exporters surprised. Gove doesn’t intend to do anything. It’s all going to plan as far as they are concerned.
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SteveTheShadow wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:17 pm Fuck business is Boris’ policy, so why are the exporters surprised. Gove doesn’t intend to do anything. It’s all going to plan as far as they are concerned.
Yes indeed. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -concerns/. (Paywall) I guess it goes with, "It will be the easiest deal that has ever been done", "Oven Ready Brexit" and didn't he reckon that the Irish Border wouldn't be a problem because we'd revert to the Government of Ireland Act 1920?
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