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Re: It's time for EVERYONE to compromise...

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The question is how are YOU going to compromise.

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Why should there be compromise between people who have different views? Everyone is entitled to their view.
There should be respect for the views of another, sure, but how can compromise on the part of individuals in the general public make any difference to solving the problem?
The problem is not the divided country, it is the utter farce of a parliament that is sitting right now. Wether you voted leave or remain is irrelevant, the elected representatives sat in the big building in Westminster are the problem. 2 parties have nailed their colours to the mast, those wankers in power who have alienated half of their own sitting mps by removing the whip and heading down a path that the party isn't entirely behind insist they will deliver brexit whatever the cost, the lib dems who have precisely no influence on anything say they will oppose brexit whatever the cost, and labour are vacillating somewhere in the middle having split themselves into a strange array of factions who cannot agree on the colour of the sky behind the clouds, and who seem intent on sitting on a fence which doesn't exist.
Where is the compromise supposed to come from when there is not even the suggestion of a compromise to coalesce around?
The only common thread is that everyone seems to agree a deal is necessary. The EU would prefer a deal. This is the only thing that all parties agree on. There should be people in Brussels hammering out a deal, not the theatrics in Parliament.
How will I compromise? I won't. Why should I? If there was a referendum tomorrow I would vote in exactly the same way, the last 3 years of utter utter incredulity at proceedings have solidified my decision like granite
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Re: It's time for EVERYONE to compromise...

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A deal is not leaving by another name.

Leaving the EU is not possible.

But let's have a charade.

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I’m at the stage where I couldn’t care less.
It’s mass hysteria at the moment and rational decision making cannot take place whilst the hysterics continue.
There is no middle ground as the centre has been hollowed out, therefore there can be no compromises.
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Vinyl-ant wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm How will I compromise? I won't. Why should I?

Because 'not compromising' is having negative consequences?
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Given the result, and current polling I think remaining and no-dealing are unwise. Something inbetween is the more likely to progress the national mood a bit.
Something like May’s deal I suppose. I.e. some sort of softish Brexit. Though it’s possible if we leave with “no deal” our hand will be strengthened, as the EU will have to work harder to secure the £37bn. (Odd that May agreed to that before agreeing the rest of the deal.)
I voted remain btw, and would do so again.
But agree in the current situation only compromise, or a very long time, or both will start to put all this behind us.
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Daniel Quinn wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:29 pm Leaving the EU is not possible.
Many peoples 'idea' of leaving the EU is not possible.
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savvypaul wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:38 pm
Vinyl-ant wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm How will I compromise? I won't. Why should I?

Because 'not compromising' is having negative consequences?
But the whole question is completely irrelevant. We, as a populace have NO control over events. All I see personally is a load of people screaming and shouting at each other, in a posh building, and one side trying to stir up civil unrest, so that they can declare a state of emergency, in order to bypass the load of people shouting and screaming at each other in a posh building.
Until they sort themselves out, how the hell are us plebs going to have any influence?
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SteveTheShadow wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:45 pm
savvypaul wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:38 pm
Vinyl-ant wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm How will I compromise? I won't. Why should I?

Because 'not compromising' is having negative consequences?
But the whole question is completely irrelevant. We, as a populace have NO control over events. All I see personally is a load of people screaming and shouting at each other, in a posh building, and one side trying to stir up civil unrest, so that they can declare a state of emergency, in order to bypass the load of people shouting and screaming at each other in a posh building.
Until they sort themselves out, how the hell are us plebs going to have any influence?
Then, how do you want the MPs to compromise?
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Re: It's time for EVERYONE to compromise...

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Unless I am mistaken, we currently live in a democracy.

In a democracy, the will of the majority should prevail. So why is brexit so problematic ? I think that the answer lies in the fact that the referendum question was flawed. Cameron et al did not do their homework. Correct me if I am wrong but the EU leaving document is a few lines and no structure for an exit. I suspect that nobody in the EU ever thought that a nation would leave so no need to negotiate the exit conditions when a new member joins. After all, who wants to talk about leaving when you are joining ?

So, here’s my compromise :

Revoke article 50, negotiate the terms of a withdrawal and publish them in full. At the same time, make it clear to the public what leaving without a deal means. Once this has been done, hold a referendum with the following conditions :

If a majority elect to revoke, we revoke and stay. If the sum of “leave with a deal” and “leave without a deal” is the majority then we leave. The terms of leaving are the leaving mechanism which receives the greatest number of votes.

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