Time to go Planar!
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Re: Time to go Planar !
Life's a beach ...
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Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar !
How are they? The pads look super comfortable.
Headphone Amplification
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz
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Re: Time to go Planar !
Awesome!
Still running them in.
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- George Hincapie (Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:52 pm)
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar !
How would you describe the presentation and sonic qualities? I've never had the opportunity to listen to them. They absolutely look the part though don't they? I love those grills
Headphone Amplification
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz
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Re: Time to go Planar !
At this moment in time, the Monoprice M1070 are £212 at Amazon UK which is an absolute steal.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monolith-Headp ... 179&sr=8-1
Everything about these cans is BIG. The drivers are huge, the pads thick and (very) comfy, and the sound ....?
Massive !
They just sound incredible (to me) but I've never heard Audeze headphones so any comparison will be with cans I know - and most directly the Hifiman Sundara.
Sundara's are a triumph of delicacy and finesse, air and space, placement and definition. Whereas the M1070 blasts in with a rich, dark fullness that envelops and transports you. Not that anything is bloated or overblown, it's just - big, smooth, solid and authoritative. Then you notice the crystalline clarity of that planar detail and the soundstage is vast, way more than the Sundara.
A 'must' test track for me on headphones is 'Down on the Farm' from Camel's 'Breathless'. Penned by Richard Sinclair this is an amusing romp through rural life with a constant stream of subtle sound effects in the background.
Well, I have NEVER heard this like it is presented with the M1070. Richard's vocals are often hard to follow but here every word is distinct. And each cow, duck, tractor, woof etc. comes clearly over.
Chalk and cheese, Sundara and M1070. Both have found a place in my daily listening - along with the closed-back M1060C that shares qualities with both the above.
M1070. Sound huge. Wide soundstage, phenomenal detail, comfy (if on the heavy side), build quality - don't complain at this price.
Love 'em.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monolith-Headp ... 179&sr=8-1
Everything about these cans is BIG. The drivers are huge, the pads thick and (very) comfy, and the sound ....?
Massive !
They just sound incredible (to me) but I've never heard Audeze headphones so any comparison will be with cans I know - and most directly the Hifiman Sundara.
Sundara's are a triumph of delicacy and finesse, air and space, placement and definition. Whereas the M1070 blasts in with a rich, dark fullness that envelops and transports you. Not that anything is bloated or overblown, it's just - big, smooth, solid and authoritative. Then you notice the crystalline clarity of that planar detail and the soundstage is vast, way more than the Sundara.
A 'must' test track for me on headphones is 'Down on the Farm' from Camel's 'Breathless'. Penned by Richard Sinclair this is an amusing romp through rural life with a constant stream of subtle sound effects in the background.
Well, I have NEVER heard this like it is presented with the M1070. Richard's vocals are often hard to follow but here every word is distinct. And each cow, duck, tractor, woof etc. comes clearly over.
Chalk and cheese, Sundara and M1070. Both have found a place in my daily listening - along with the closed-back M1060C that shares qualities with both the above.
M1070. Sound huge. Wide soundstage, phenomenal detail, comfy (if on the heavy side), build quality - don't complain at this price.
Love 'em.
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- George Hincapie (Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:42 am)
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar !
Sunday morning and a weekend free from work (unusual). Sat enjoying some sounds on the 'upstairs' setup and thought I would do a mini shoot-out with several pairs of headphones that were assembled there.
Shot 1:
Using the headphone output from the Cambridge Alva Duo phono stage:
Winner: AQ NightHawk (original 'wood' version)
2. Monolith M1070
3. Philips Fidelio X2HR
4. HarmonicDyne Zeus
5. HifiMan Sundara
6. German Maestro GMP 450
Shot 2:
Using the headphone output from the Cambridge DacMagic Plus DAC:
Winner: Monolith M1070
2. AQ NightHawk (original 'wood' version)
3. Philips Fidelio X2HR
4. HifiMan Sundara
5. HarmonicDyne Zeus
6. German Maestro GMP 450
All via a Grado 5m headphone extension cable.
Interesting test, hearing the widely-varying characteristics of these cans and now I am downstairs in the office with the M1070's plugged into the MF XCanV3 and they sound totally different again. In both sessions, the top 3 got me foot-tapping and enjoying the music with wide-soundstage, good detail and punchy dynamics.
Surprises: Philips X2HR (cheapest at €70) - sound great under all conditions, a lively all-rounder with great space and dynamics, just lacking in some fine detail - although these were the only set that revealed surface noise from the LP. The original AQ NightHawks (most expensive, €750 when bought) shine as a smooth, vivid perfomer.
These 2 headphones sounded the best with the Alva Duo and I suspect that this is due to the output here being more suitable for low-impedance, easy-to-drive cans. Certainly other headphones suffered as a result of being severely underpowered.
Things changed quite a lot with the DacMagic as that is run from a large SBooster LPSU. The performance of the Sundara's was much improved. In no way could this be seen as a test of the different headphones, more a display of how they fare when NOT properly-driven.
The German Maestro GMP 450 is a high-impedance unit and simply came over as weak and anaemic - although it is great in other systems. The Zeus is also one that cries out for serious amplification to tame it's occasionally harsh top-end, but it was the only set that revealed motor hum from the Pro-Ject TT and Grado cartridge.
The conclusion is that this particular system really needs a dedicated headphone amp and the search is now on, this also means I could shift the Metrum Musette DAC into the rig. Now looking at a little Class-D baby on Amazon, Sabaj A10h.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SABAJ-A10h-Des ... 032&sr=8-3
Shot 1:
Using the headphone output from the Cambridge Alva Duo phono stage:
Winner: AQ NightHawk (original 'wood' version)
2. Monolith M1070
3. Philips Fidelio X2HR
4. HarmonicDyne Zeus
5. HifiMan Sundara
6. German Maestro GMP 450
Shot 2:
Using the headphone output from the Cambridge DacMagic Plus DAC:
Winner: Monolith M1070
2. AQ NightHawk (original 'wood' version)
3. Philips Fidelio X2HR
4. HifiMan Sundara
5. HarmonicDyne Zeus
6. German Maestro GMP 450
All via a Grado 5m headphone extension cable.
Interesting test, hearing the widely-varying characteristics of these cans and now I am downstairs in the office with the M1070's plugged into the MF XCanV3 and they sound totally different again. In both sessions, the top 3 got me foot-tapping and enjoying the music with wide-soundstage, good detail and punchy dynamics.
Surprises: Philips X2HR (cheapest at €70) - sound great under all conditions, a lively all-rounder with great space and dynamics, just lacking in some fine detail - although these were the only set that revealed surface noise from the LP. The original AQ NightHawks (most expensive, €750 when bought) shine as a smooth, vivid perfomer.
These 2 headphones sounded the best with the Alva Duo and I suspect that this is due to the output here being more suitable for low-impedance, easy-to-drive cans. Certainly other headphones suffered as a result of being severely underpowered.
Things changed quite a lot with the DacMagic as that is run from a large SBooster LPSU. The performance of the Sundara's was much improved. In no way could this be seen as a test of the different headphones, more a display of how they fare when NOT properly-driven.
The German Maestro GMP 450 is a high-impedance unit and simply came over as weak and anaemic - although it is great in other systems. The Zeus is also one that cries out for serious amplification to tame it's occasionally harsh top-end, but it was the only set that revealed motor hum from the Pro-Ject TT and Grado cartridge.
The conclusion is that this particular system really needs a dedicated headphone amp and the search is now on, this also means I could shift the Metrum Musette DAC into the rig. Now looking at a little Class-D baby on Amazon, Sabaj A10h.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SABAJ-A10h-Des ... 032&sr=8-3
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar!
Had a long session with the closed Monolith M1060C yesterday evening, running from the Schiit Magni3 amp. These cans are still burning in and every time I use them they gain in clarity and space. They are heavy after a couple of hours but the glorious sound makes it hard to take them off.
Headphone amps are the new focus and I have 2 models from Sabaj on order (a division of the same company that makes the highly-regarded SMSL equipment).
Playtime!
Headphone amps are the new focus and I have 2 models from Sabaj on order (a division of the same company that makes the highly-regarded SMSL equipment).
Playtime!
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- George Hincapie (Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:34 pm)
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar!
Sabaj PHA3. Under 40 euro's! Tubes! Music!
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- George Hincapie (Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:34 pm)
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar!
If you are wanting something amusing and affordable for in your Christmas stocking then get over to Amazon (or wherever) and put the Sabaj PHA3 on your wishlist.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabaj-PHA3-Hea ... 422&sr=8-2
The little red-lit tubes and the lively sound just put an immediate grin on my face. So I have taken the Schiit out of my lounge headphone setup and put the PHA3 in place - looking forward to a solid listen later on.
Damn, this thing is FUN!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabaj-PHA3-Hea ... 422&sr=8-2
The little red-lit tubes and the lively sound just put an immediate grin on my face. So I have taken the Schiit out of my lounge headphone setup and put the PHA3 in place - looking forward to a solid listen later on.
Damn, this thing is FUN!
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- George Hincapie (Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:36 pm)
Upstairs:
VinylPro-Ject 1.2 + Grado Sig Jr + Cambridge Alva Duo
DigiVolumio PC + Kiss DP-500 + Sabaj A20d
NVA: P50sa - Cube2 - SSP - LS6+ Sabaj A10a (x2)
Downstairs:
VinylLogic DM101 + Syrinx LE1 + Grado Sig MCX
DigiDenafrips Ares II + Volumio PC + Cambridge CXC
NVA: P50 - BMU+ Aiyima A07 MAX (x2) + Arcam One
HP: HifiBerry Digi+ PRO + Sabaj A10d
Office:
Allo DigiOne SIG + SMSL M300se + Douk G4 (x2)
Mission 760 + Monolith THX AAA 887
Headphones: German Maestro & AudioQuest
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Re: Time to go Planar!
And I presume you can tube roll?Fretless wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:37 pm If you are wanting something amusing and affordable for in your Christmas stocking then get over to Amazon (or wherever) and put the Sabaj PHA3 on your wishlist.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabaj-PHA3-Hea ... 422&sr=8-2
The little red-lit tubes and the lively sound just put an immediate grin on my face. So I have taken the Schiit out of my lounge headphone setup and put the PHA3 in place - looking forward to a solid listen later on.
Damn, this thing is FUN!
Headphone Amplification
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz
Linear Tube Audio MZ3
Headphones
HifiMan Sundara • HiFiMan Arya Stealth Edition • ZMF Vérité Closed Ltd (Stabilised) • ZMF Atrium Open Ltd (Hawaiian Koa) • ZMF Aeolus Ltd (Mexican Bocote)
Digital
Audial S5 • Pi2AES 2.0
Cables
Forza Audio Works • Blue Jeans • DH Labs • Periapt
Power
Farad • Tomanek
Sources
Roon • Tidal • Qobuz