Doctors Strike....

[Daniel Quinn]

You would not call a person who had spent five years studying bricklaying an apprentice .

You will find people who are up themselves every where , what this about is the unilateral degradation of working conditions by a government without a mandate upon a pretext of 7 day care .

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Not according to my reading, it is just locking them down and not allowing the scams that were going on.

Definition of apprenticeship -

An apprenticeship is a system of training a new generation of practitioners of a trade or profession with on-the-job training and often some accompanying study (classroom work and reading). Apprenticeship also enables practitioners to gain a license to practice in a regulated profession. Most of their training is done while working for an employer who helps the apprentices learn their trade or profession, in exchange for their continued labor for an agreed period after they have achieved measurable competencies. Apprenticeships typically last 3 to 6 years. People who successfully complete an apprenticeship reach the "journeyman" or professional certification level of competence.

Describes the Junior Doctors perfectly.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

What you should also note is that a Doctors period of work is called being "on call" they can be on call in their bed and being paid for it.

[slinger]

The problem is doc, you have no idea what it's like to be employed as part of a huge corporate entity in this day and age. Being a cog in the machine now is nothing like it was when you, and I for that matter, started our working lives. For one thing I was promised "a job for life" on my induction course with B.T. (the G.P.O. as it was then.) That worked out well.

[Daniel Quinn]

Not according to my reading, it is just locking them down and not allowing the scams that were going on.

Definition of apprenticeship -

An apprenticeship is a system of training a new generation of practitioners of a trade or profession with on-the-job training and often some accompanying study (classroom work and reading). Apprenticeship also enables practitioners to gain a license to practice in a regulated profession. Most of their training is done while working for an employer who helps the apprentices learn their trade or profession, in exchange for their continued labor for an agreed period after they have achieved measurable competencies. Apprenticeships typically last 3 to 6 years. People who successfully complete an apprenticeship reach the "journeyman" or professional certification level of competence.

Describes the Junior Doctors perfectly.

It doesn't - junior doctors are post graduates . They are qualified to do certain jobs , just not practice medicine as a consultant or gp .

In 2 years they can be Gps in 6 years they can be consultants . the are equivalent to newly qualified lawyers , ie they are lawyers but nobody is going to let them loose on a murder trial and the hourly rate they can charge is limited

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

So there are apprentice lawyers as well.

As an apprentice bricklayers they are qualified to build walls under supervision - there is no difference.

[Daniel Quinn]

Nope ; They have finished their training , they are just not experienced . They can do all an experienced lawyer can do if allowed just not charge the same hourly rate .

An apprentice is someone on day one of their job will know bugger all about what they are doing . That is not the case for junior doctors who will of course have spent years in a hospital whilst they are doing their degree and are of course student doctors and more equivalent to an apprentice .

[zebbo]

Don't adhere to your contract and you make yourself open to dismissal. Ok so are you saying lets sack all the Junior Doctors. The problem is we have given them too high a status, they have got off on themselves. Call them what they are *apprentices* would be more appropriate.

Chicken and egg Doc, had their CONTRACT not simply been bulldozed over they wouldn't be up in arms.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Nope ; They have finished their training , they are just not experienced . They can do all an experienced lawyer can do if allowed just not charge the same hourly rate .

An apprentice is someone on day one of their job will know bugger all about what they are doing . That is not the case for junior doctors who will of course have spent years in a hospital whilst they are doing their degree and are of course student doctors and more equivalent to an apprentice .

Most apprentices in any trade spend one or two years in college. Doctors just do more of it - still apprentices. But they don't like the reality, childish snobs comes to mind.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Don't adhere to your contract and you make yourself open to dismissal. Ok so are you saying lets sack all the Junior Doctors. The problem is we have given them too high a status, they have got off on themselves. Call them what they are *apprentices* would be more appropriate.

Chicken and egg Doc, had their CONTRACT not simply been bulldozed over they wouldn't be up in arms.

You are believing the bullshit - bulldozed over my arse. They were paid for being on call (maybe in bed) at excessively high weekend overtime rates. The whole process under the old contract was bizarre and unworkable, even they said it needed to be changed. They are up in arms because they hoped they could sneak a big pay rise out of it and the Gov wont play ball.