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This forum needs a 'like' button. NIce one Paul.savvypaul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:43 pm Consigning conflict to the past is not always an easy process to embark on, so I welcome the positive step forward by Marco and his team of mods to lift the ban on discussion of NVA at Art Of Sound.
We are all enthusiasts. We have far more in common with each other than what separates us. People have the right to hold different opinions, the right to hold different beliefs and, even, the right to be 'wrong'. There is is no good reason to allow 'ego' to get in the way of pursuing a hobby.
It's not for me to tell Marco how to run his forum. It's not for me to tell Marco who he can allow to be a member of his forum. Any conditions attached to the lifting of the ban are Marco's to decide.
My concern is HFS, and I want this to be a place that is welcoming of differing views and experiences, so, as a further gesture of reconciliation, I extend a 'Day 1' amnesty to any AOS members who may have been caught up in previous conflict between the two forums. Assuming you play by the rules of the forum, you will be welcome and judged only on what you post from now on.
Richard showed admirable intolerance in removing from his designs anything that he believed impacted negatively on our musical enjoyment...but NVA does not need to use intolerance of other enthusiasts as a marketing tool. We will stand on the sound quality, the component and build quality, the reliability and longevity of the designs, combined with approachability and professional service. I trust that all those who believe in the NVA design ethos will welcome today's announcement at AOS and will choose to prioritise the future of NVA over any nostalgia for inter-forum conflict.
Thanks, Tom.---Tom--- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:31 pmThis forum needs a 'like' button. NIce one Paul.savvypaul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:43 pm Consigning conflict to the past is not always an easy process to embark on, so I welcome the positive step forward by Marco and his team of mods to lift the ban on discussion of NVA at Art Of Sound.
We are all enthusiasts. We have far more in common with each other than what separates us. People have the right to hold different opinions, the right to hold different beliefs and, even, the right to be 'wrong'. There is is no good reason to allow 'ego' to get in the way of pursuing a hobby.
It's not for me to tell Marco how to run his forum. It's not for me to tell Marco who he can allow to be a member of his forum. Any conditions attached to the lifting of the ban are Marco's to decide.
My concern is HFS, and I want this to be a place that is welcoming of differing views and experiences, so, as a further gesture of reconciliation, I extend a 'Day 1' amnesty to any AOS members who may have been caught up in previous conflict between the two forums. Assuming you play by the rules of the forum, you will be welcome and judged only on what you post from now on.
Richard showed admirable intolerance in removing from his designs anything that he believed impacted negatively on our musical enjoyment...but NVA does not need to use intolerance of other enthusiasts as a marketing tool. We will stand on the sound quality, the component and build quality, the reliability and longevity of the designs, combined with approachability and professional service. I trust that all those who believe in the NVA design ethos will welcome today's announcement at AOS and will choose to prioritise the future of NVA over any nostalgia for inter-forum conflict.
Richard just enjoyed making his customers happy and only really wanted to break even. The new team needs to sell the products to make a living, that doesn't mean they don't want happy customers but it does mean they want more of them. Fighting with another forum isn't the way to achieve that and a younger Richard would, I am sure, have appreciated the difference. Approval is another matter but it is time to move on.Copperblue wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:00 am In conflicts, sometimes one party has to be the “bigger man”
Congrats to Savvy for doing that. It also makes commercial sense to have broader discussions about the NVA products rather than the historical baggage.......
I’m not sure RD would approve though
But his point was that direct selling would allow profit to be made and at the same time prices to be kept low. To make NVA work Paul has had to increase prices. So not so sure about that.He certainly made his point, over a number of years, about what is wrong with the industry with the backing of posters here.
I should have been more clear. I was referring to EOTW. The prices Richard was selling at, as a one man business operating from home, were ridiculously low. That has to change with increased production, VAT and premisis. The direct selling is still undercutting dealers, but not by so much.Lurcher300b wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:00 pmBut his point was that direct selling would allow profit to be made and at the same time prices to be kept low. To make NVA work Paul has had to increase prices. So not so sure about that.He certainly made his point, over a number of years, about what is wrong with the industry with the backing of posters here.