What the hell is wrong with personal and subjective reviews, what other real ones are there. That is the point, we are a forum where people express opinions about everything, and so it should be.John Rackham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:50 amWhat a shame. I won't go to the kind of bake offs where people seem obsessed with comparing kit and playing only the most flattering recordings. There seems little point, especially when any such reviews arising from this are so personal and subjective.savvypaul wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:08 amAbsolutely, but people chose what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately, I am only 1/15th of the attendance (in number not weight), so my influence was limited.John Rackham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:19 am
That is much more like it. Shame that more bake offs don't play more music like that, instead of, as you put it 'girly audiophile' nonsense!
I love music, not hifi.
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Indeed.valvesRus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:01 pm...John Rackham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:50 am What a shame. I won't go to the kind of bake offs where people seem obsessed with comparing kit and playing only the most flattering recordings. There seems little point, especially when any such reviews arising from this are so personal and subjective.
It was just a few "old boys" listening to some vinyl on kit they have (possibly) not come across before.
It certainly was not, in any shape or form, a competition.
I enjoyed the former and was a little depressed about the idea of the latter.
For most of us there comes a point when all the noise around a couple of items becomes oppressive and leads to people not wanting to share their opinions. Which rather defeats the object.
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Apologies, I did not mean to cause any offence by stating my own preferences.
It is my opinion and therefore a valid one, that there is little to be learned from another person's view of a system that you are not familiar with, in a room different to your own, and from people who's tastes and preferences are another variable and may or may not be aligned with your own. I could not possibly draw any meaningful conclusion under those circumstances, however I fully understand that others might wish to.
It is the reason that I do not subscribe to hifi magazines or read their reviews, as they are in my view interesting at best, but not particularly useful.
Apologies, I did not mean to cause any offence by stating my own preferences.
It is my opinion and therefore a valid one, that there is little to be learned from another person's view of a system that you are not familiar with, in a room different to your own, and from people who's tastes and preferences are another variable and may or may not be aligned with your own. I could not possibly draw any meaningful conclusion under those circumstances, however I fully understand that others might wish to.
It is the reason that I do not subscribe to hifi magazines or read their reviews, as they are in my view interesting at best, but not particularly useful.
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I felt I learnt something about the sonic character of each turntable. No cast iron conclusions but still worthwhile.John Rackham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:13 pm [Message intended as reply to Dr Bunsen]
Apologies, I did not mean to cause any offence by stating my own preferences.
It is my opinion and therefore a valid one, that there is little to be learned from another person's view of a system that you are not familiar with, in a room different to your own, and from people who's tastes and preferences are another variable and may or may not be aligned with your own. I could not possibly draw any meaningful conclusion under those circumstances, however I fully understand that others might wish to.
It is the reason that I do not subscribe to hifi magazines or read their reviews, as they are in my view interesting at best, but not particularly useful.
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Possibly, but I think it would be hard to discount the different cartridges used in each case.I felt I learnt something about the sonic character of each turntable. No cast iron conclusions but still worthwhile.
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And the tonearms ?Lurcher300b wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:32 pmPossibly, but I think it would be hard to discount the different cartridges used in each case.I felt I learnt something about the sonic character of each turntable. No cast iron conclusions but still worthwhile.
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Have you been to a bake-off, if not then this is just your subjective opinion, you need to go to some, they are not as you think. It depends on the gear and the set up, this time around it seems differences were not shown. Last year in the equiv event differences were as clear as a bell for everyone, both in phono stages and turntables - so what happened this year?John Rackham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:13 pm [Message intended as reply to Dr Bunsen]
Apologies, I did not mean to cause any offence by stating my own preferences.
It is my opinion and therefore a valid one, that there is little to be learned from another person's view of a system that you are not familiar with, in a room different to your own, and from people who's tastes and preferences are another variable and may or may not be aligned with your own. I could not possibly draw any meaningful conclusion under those circumstances, however I fully understand that others might wish to.
It is the reason that I do not subscribe to hifi magazines or read their reviews, as they are in my view interesting at best, but not particularly useful.
The process is *nothing* like magazine reviews, same as a user review is nothing like a magazine review, magazine reviews are bollocks to make money from advertisers and get you buying the mag, that is the only purpose.
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Bake offs are quite amusing, it makes you realise that people are actually Deaf
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